Surgeon Neil Hopper, who wanted his legs amputated

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was watching a documentary (on Amazon i think) about this vascular surgeon in Cornwall who is currently serving out a 3 year sentence in prison. In court, when he admitted to putting his legs in dry ice for hours to force an eventual double amputation, his lawyer said he’d had body dismorphia and felt his legs/feet weren’t part of him and were unwelcome. Oh and also that he felt like and wanted to be a female from a young age.

So, one is a mental health condition, but the other is a gender identity ? How? Make it make sense.

It's always about the money in n the end.

This isn't happening. The average wait for a first gender appointment on the NHS to talk to someone is years long. In some areas, 10-20 years for any consequential contact.

Trans people aren't all autistic, or mentally ill - they're a tiny minority. Around 1 in 4 girls have been sexually assaulted and will experience mental illness. Autism is a totally separate condition and also affects a significant percentage of children.

And none of those conditions means girls and women cannot think for themselves. That is a simplistic, incredibly ableist statement.

Autistic people are often very relaxed and honest about gender dysphoria, and more likely to report it.

If your ableist argument held any water, then a huge percentage of kids would be trans. They are not. Maybe 1-2 per school if that.

The vast, vast majority of gender-affirming surgery being done on the NHS is performed on cis men.

How easy do you think it is to access any surgery? Waiting times are 22-44 weeks, with the NHS snowed under all year.

Most trans men don't have bottom surgery because they are highly aware of the risks. They aren't ignorant about this at all.

Gender-affirming surgery for trans people on the NHS is rare, most of it is funded privately.

Incidentally, if my son had pursued his career in ballet, he would have needed a breast reduction operation. And that would have been socially acceptable (all top-heavy ballerinas who want to succeed have them). I find that sick. Trans men making considered choices about their own lives is fine by me because it's their choice.

Cis women have gender-affirming surgery - on their breasts (for which the nipple is usually removed then sewn back on), faces, stomachs, necks, legs, arms...and so do cis men.

There is no epidemic of young people demanding top surgery on the NHS. Just a tired, weary cohort of trans guys who fund their own way and wish people would leave them the hell alone.

So he’s not mentally ill because he’s trans, but he is mentally ill for chopping his legs off? ….

Jesus. My husband had his varicose veins 'treated' by this man. The treatment was so bad he only had the one leg done and refused to go back. During the treatment Neil decided to show my dh his main nerve by tapping the rod on it. His body left the bed and hes lost all muscle in that leg. He declined the group court case as we presumed it was for amputees. We did not realise he enjoyed pain. Not sure if I should even tell DH this, he's been so affected by it all already!

p.s. The single biggest cause of mental ill-health in young trans people, is transphobia. Bullying, street violence and sexual harassment are destroying young trans lives. Please don't add to that by circulating harmful myths about them - these myths enable the violence they all suffer.

No. The single biggest cause of mental health in “transpeople” is being told they can be the opposite sex if they feel like it. And then getting upset when people refuse to affirm their beliefs.

It's significant that the documentary plays down the fact that Hopper claims to be a transwoman, and that his main motivation is sexual fetish.

It's often said that surgeons are far more likely to be sociopaths than other people. Hopper obviously didn't just enjoy watching people experience extreme pain on his screen. He was happy to put his wife and children, the people he loves most, through the pain of thinking he had sepsis and could die, so that he could enact his sexual fetish.

When Hopper watched the live stream of another man being castrated, he sent a photo of his own erection to the man cutting off another man's penis.

Castration fetish and eunuch fetish are clearly a part of being trans for at least some transwomen. Even one of the heads of WPATH.

<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20230315100144/reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Top Trans Medical Association Collaborated With Castration, Child Abuse Fetishists - Reduxx

Being 'trans' is clearly not just an innate thing like being left handed.

Comorbidities in gender incongruent young people often go unnoticed, because everything gets obscured by the 'trans' label.

Underneath, there us a cohort of terribly vulnerable, suffering children, who have been sold unevidenced nonsense, supported and enabled by medics and activists who put 'trans' issues above the wellbeing of this abandoned cohort.

These poor kids have been manipulated, let down, harmed and mistreated. The damage done, both physical and mental, is stark. And the issues that led.to their gender incongruence or dysmorphia have not gone anywhere in the meantime. They are still children with neurodivergent traits, trauma histories, etc.

Once the euphoria wears off, they find themselves with all the same issues, only now with another whole layer added on top.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed I’m not ablist mate, I’m neurodivergent myself as is one of my DC and several other family members. ASC and ADHD aplenty in this family. Some autistic people can get very fixated on ideas and the ‘right’ way to deal with things. I’m sure you know that.

If you’re right that there aren’t many people getting surgeries, and that surgeries aren’t funded by the NHS, that is great news. There seem to be lots of girls and women on high doses of testosterone though, which obviously has long term consequences. Very difficult for those girls who then change their minds about wanting to pretend to be male.

I don’t know what surgeries you’re talking about re ‘cis’ people but it sounds like cosmetic surgery. I’m not a fan of any cosmetic surgeries- certainly the NHS shouldn’t fund them. (Breast reduction can be needed for physical reasons, so can rhinoplasty in some cases. Quite happy for the NHS to fund surgeries which are carried out for physical reasons).

Google says that the NHS funds ‘gender reassignment’ treatments and surgeries. I don’t believe they should fund any of it. What they should fund is high quality mental health support. If patients want surgeries and hormones they can fund that themselves.

Revealed: More than 1,000 patients a year have trans chest surgery on the NHS

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/10/revealed-thousands-of-trans-surgeries-carried-out-by-nhs/

Archive version to evade paywall

https://archive.ph/A9m2x

Every word of that, is untrue.

Trans children are individuals who happen to be trans. There aren't that many of them. All of them understand (and think deeply about) the consequences of being out.

Conspiracy theories aren't real life, I'm afraid. Much as I'm sure you'd prefer them to be.

Individuals simply exist while being trans, and every one of them deals with that differently. They don't require ignorant adults to make blanket statements about how they feel, act, process information or exist.

Trans people aren't cartoons, or caricatures. They can think for themselves - and no one created them, promised or sold them anything.

Coming out is a relief, not euphoria. Trans children know exactly what to expect at school, and unfortunately often encounter worse. They are beaten, touched, assaulted and constantly harassed, massively disrupting their lives and seriously impacting their mental health.

Does that sound like "euphoria" to you? My son had years of it at school, and yet remains trans. There is no euphoria, simply resignation that existing in a trans-hostile world is the price paid for alleviating their dysphoria.

Being trans is only a small part of who my son is, same as any other trans person. He isn't acting in a play, just walking the streets as himself.

It's deeply unhealthy that you spend quite so much time obsessing over a cohort you do not belong to, and transparently fail to understand. Please educate yourself.

Or their parents could get them therapy to accept they are not the opposite sex, just gender non conforming children rather than affirming them in their beliefs and getting upset when no one else will play along.

The Trevor Project thinks that gender euphoria is a real thing and define it as

" the satisfaction or joy caused when someone’s gender experience or expression aligns with their gender identity, rather than with the sex they were assigned at birth."

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/what-is-gender-euphoria/

Educate myself? But in the same breath, you claim anyone reading up on the issues is 'obsessing' and to be derided?

Try reading up on the current Employment Tribunal, Dr Sam Hall, and Brighton WellBN. Then tell me everything is peachy in 'gender' healthcare.

Read up on WPATH and Standards of Care v8. Tell me that children can identify as eunuchs and should be entitled to be castrated to 'affirm' their identity.

Read the evidence of outcomes in gender incongruent people post 'transition'.

I very much hope your child does not face any harassment or poor treatment. I find it very sad what happens to children who go down the path of 'trans affirmation'. I'm sure that under all these attacks you make on women on here, you have a lot of difficult things to work through. I hope you find a way through.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

15 year old girls were approved for mastectomies.

This.

We all know hyperfixation plays a large part in autism. Many autistic children and young adults are also highly suggestible. Why is it so hard for people (including doctors and teachers as well as parents) to recognise that a belief that you’re in the wrong body is just as much a fixation as is counting trains or dinosaurs? But with rather more harmful and permanent consequences.

Edited to add: hyperfixation of a fetish nature is just as likely to occur in autistic adults… even a surgeon. I believe there are also studies finding higher degree of sociopathy in surgeons as well. Stands to reason, a too empathetic surgeon doesn’t work either.

I think this is why TRA parents come back here repeatedly, to try to continually justify why they chose to
affirm their vulnerable child down an irreversible and impossible path, rather than gently challenging gender dysphoria.

I consider it to be safeguarding vulnerable people to oppose these operations. There appears to be very flimsy evidence that it’s helpful and large amounts of evidence that it will cause terrible harm - physically and mentally. No responsible doctor would perform an operation in any other specialism in these circumstances. I believe out of reasonable concern for our vulnerable people, it is vital no further medicalisation goes on. Instead, long term therapy should be offered.

Trans children are individuals who happen to be trans. There aren't that many of them. All of them understand (and think deeply about) the consequences of being out.

This obviously isn't true. There's another thread at the moment about a child in a reception class being 'trans'. How deeply do you think this 4 or 5 year old child has thought about this? How well do you think they understand the consequences? At that age, it's obviously all coming from the parents.

And what do you mean by 'happen to be trans'? Do you believe that people are literally born in the wrong body?