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The biggest exploiter of women online

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MyLemonMentor · Yesterday 10:05

https://www.npr.org/2026/07/09/nx-s1-5885052/spacexai-stabilityai-deepfake-csam-class-action
Women and children worldwide have been subject to abuse and exploitation by Elon Musk’s AI chatbot, Grok. I know this message board is primarily concerned with trans issues at the moment, and be that as it may, I think we also need to recognise new dangers facing us and our girls.

From a plaintiff’s case in the states:
‘Jane Doe 4, from Wyoming, is part of the suit against Musk and Grok. Her stepfather created 7,000 images and videos of her from a single photograph taken when she was 11. The AI-generated images included depictions of her nude, performing sexual acts on men, including her stepfather. Some images also included explicit captions.’

Here in the UK, MP Jess Asato has instigated a legal challenge against Musk and his company.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jul/28/jess-asato-labour-mp-sue-elon-musk-xai-chatbot-abusive-content

I’ve been virulent about my safety and women’s safety in the real world, since it’s becoming a scarier and scarier place. Seeing that my images, and the images of my child, are not safe either, just makes me feel that no one is taking women and women’s issues seriously. It’s a huge step back.

Maybe we can do something with Rage against the screen?

Labour MP suing Elon Musk’s xAI says chatbot added own fake abusive content

Jess Asato’s particulars of claim states Grok added explicit sexual material users had not asked for

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jul/28/jess-asato-labour-mp-sue-elon-musk-xai-chatbot-abusive-content

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Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 20:40

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 20:34

Ah ok. Even more reason not to upload photos of yourself online! Although I suppose if you are a politician there will be photos of you on the commons website and in newspapers and the like.

See, I refused permission for my child's sport club to post photos of them online because unfortunately this problem has become increasingly common (there was a case where a girls football club posted a team photo and then received an email with AI generated extreme pornography of all the children (11 year old girls btw) and a demand for money not to publicly post the generated images.) But it's really bloody awful that that's something parents need to consider. In the long run if this is normalised it means womena Nansgirls won't be as free to post images of themselves publicly. I don't like the culture of constant selfies, but if images of girls playing sport, women doing public speaking for their business can't be posted without it being perceived as tacit permission for pornography to be made that's awful.

Women entering politics etc already have to accept a higher level of abuse than men and this puts some women of. I don't want all but the most thick skinned of women to be barred from public life.

JustEatThePizza · Yesterday 20:54

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 20:28

Bikinis plus suggestive poses that echo porn shots. Also women in bikinis with ball gags in their mouths, crying etc. Musk absolutely knew what he was doing by enabling Grok to create those images. As do you by excusing it.

I am not excusing, I want to be factually correct. I can't get upset over false information.

Grok was used to create suggestive imagery (which I believe has now been restricted), other AI was used to create porn.

Stating facts is not excusing anything.

PollyNomial · Yesterday 23:03

JustEatThePizza · Yesterday 20:54

I am not excusing, I want to be factually correct. I can't get upset over false information.

Grok was used to create suggestive imagery (which I believe has now been restricted), other AI was used to create porn.

Stating facts is not excusing anything.

Nope. Sadly still very possible: https://www.axios.com/2026/07/14/exclusive-grok-jailbreak-creates-sexual-violent-images

BendoftheBeginning · Today 00:01

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 19:43

If you aren’t on the platform how can people make fake porn of you?

Because if you were ever anywhere online at all, or if anyone knew you who had an image of you and it was uploaded without you knowing about it, it could still be used to generate gross images.

Are you very naive? You seem to think you can just not sign up to being exploited.

BendoftheBeginning · Today 00:03

Or even better, “just leave.” Oh yes, because the platforms that make money by selling PII are very quick to delete your info when you’ve left. 😂

SadiraOfTyr · Today 08:57

BendoftheBeginning · Today 00:01

Because if you were ever anywhere online at all, or if anyone knew you who had an image of you and it was uploaded without you knowing about it, it could still be used to generate gross images.

Are you very naive? You seem to think you can just not sign up to being exploited.

Yes I understand now, I left twitter long before Grok was a thing. I didn't realise you could feed it content that was external to twitter - I assumed it was just able to manipulate tweets.

I use AI a lot for work: Claude Opus and Mythos/Fable, various specialised Mistral and Granite models, K3, but have never used Grok, it's not even on the radar in our industry. However I admit I don't use it at all outside of work and am not familiar with the "civilian" usage of it other than what I read in the news (or here).

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 09:17

OrangeFlower14 · Yesterday 19:17

Doesn't all AI do this or it can be used to do it I might've got that wrong

Much more to the point - Grok does NOT allow users to do this, it never has.

The AI that absolutely makes full proper nudes of anyone or anything, is not Grok, or chatGPT or Claude, it's the low level unregulated open source stuff - it's not got anything to do with Musk.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 09:45

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 09:17

Much more to the point - Grok does NOT allow users to do this, it never has.

The AI that absolutely makes full proper nudes of anyone or anything, is not Grok, or chatGPT or Claude, it's the low level unregulated open source stuff - it's not got anything to do with Musk.

A correction to my earlier post. I was right that the viral @Grok episode on X chiefly involved bikini, underwear and sexualised-pose edits, and that xAI subsequently closed the easy public route. I was too categorical in saying Grok had never generated pornography. AI Forensics documented full nudity and sexual acts through Grok.com, while the Jane Doe 4 lawsuit alleges about 7,000 explicit outputs. That allegation is not yet a court finding, but it cannot honestly be dismissed.

That still does not establish the thread title or the claims about Musk’s motives. A serious product-safety failure is not proof that Musk is “the biggest exploiter of women online”, deliberately built a porn bot or wants women abused. In the Wyoming allegation, the perpetrator was the stepfather using the tool. xAI can fairly be criticised for making image editing too easy and for inadequate initial safeguards. Musk’s personal malice and a pornography-based business plan are assumptions, not evidence.

The chronology also matters. xAI blocked the viral @Grok route in January, and X subsequently told Parliament that its nudification functionality had been disabled worldwide. xAI’s current rules expressly prohibit nudifying real people, pornographic depictions of their likenesses and sexualising children.

A later security report showed that Grok’s protections could be jailbroken, but the same jailbreak affected ChatGPT and Axios could not reproduce the Grok result in its own repeated testing. A jailbreak is a safety problem. It is not the same thing as a publicly supported feature.

Most importantly, Grok is not the whole problem. ISD found 181 dedicated nudification sites attracting more than 40 million visitors each month, alongside downloadable and locally operated models that no company can centrally disable. These decentralised tools are the harder long-term enforcement problem.

None of this minimises non-consensual sexual images. It identifies the danger accurately. Anger at Musk for unsupported reasons hands people an easy factual rebuttal and distracts from the dedicated, decentralised systems that are much harder to police.

I also think Grok deserves recognition for being unusually willing, among mainstream chatbots, to discuss biological sex and sex-based rights without automatically adopting gender-identity framing. That is my assessment, not a scientific league table. It does not excuse xAI’s early safety failure, and that safety failure does not make every accusation about Musk true.

PollyNomial · Today 13:13

Grok isn't the whole problem, no but it shouldn't take a PM to call out the issue or being sued for a vaguely responsible owner to realise what their software is doing.

Just because he is more sympathetic to the GC cause than some tech bros shouldn't get him treated any more favourably on this matter than if he were a full on TRA.

Shedmistress · Today 13:24

MyLemonMentor · Yesterday 10:05

https://www.npr.org/2026/07/09/nx-s1-5885052/spacexai-stabilityai-deepfake-csam-class-action
Women and children worldwide have been subject to abuse and exploitation by Elon Musk’s AI chatbot, Grok. I know this message board is primarily concerned with trans issues at the moment, and be that as it may, I think we also need to recognise new dangers facing us and our girls.

From a plaintiff’s case in the states:
‘Jane Doe 4, from Wyoming, is part of the suit against Musk and Grok. Her stepfather created 7,000 images and videos of her from a single photograph taken when she was 11. The AI-generated images included depictions of her nude, performing sexual acts on men, including her stepfather. Some images also included explicit captions.’

Here in the UK, MP Jess Asato has instigated a legal challenge against Musk and his company.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jul/28/jess-asato-labour-mp-sue-elon-musk-xai-chatbot-abusive-content

I’ve been virulent about my safety and women’s safety in the real world, since it’s becoming a scarier and scarier place. Seeing that my images, and the images of my child, are not safe either, just makes me feel that no one is taking women and women’s issues seriously. It’s a huge step back.

Maybe we can do something with Rage against the screen?

I know this message board is primarily concerned with trans issues at the moment, and be that as it may, I think we also need to recognise new dangers facing us and our girls.

This board was set up specifically for 'sex and gender' issues to be hived off to.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 13:32

PollyNomial · Today 13:13

Grok isn't the whole problem, no but it shouldn't take a PM to call out the issue or being sued for a vaguely responsible owner to realise what their software is doing.

Just because he is more sympathetic to the GC cause than some tech bros shouldn't get him treated any more favourably on this matter than if he were a full on TRA.

Grok is about 0.5% of the problem is my point and people only focus on it because of Musk.

it’s not the problem.

Justme56 · Today 13:36

Hasn’t Meta been caught advertising some of these awful sites on their SM. I’m sure I read something about that.

Echobelly · Today 13:38

Musk thinks women's lives and privacy being violated is a hilarious jape - I'd love to see him get some kind of comeuppance from this, unlikely as that is.

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