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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

You Can’t Buy an Authentic Self

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BackToLurk · 16/08/2026 09:24

I’ve long held the view that much of identity politics, including gender identity politics, owes a lot to late stage capitalism. It’s often very much about the primacy of the individual. I found this interesting in relation to the role of corporations in selling ‘authentic selves’ to transpeople, and packaging it as inclusivity.

Freya is apparently a ‘voice of Gen Z feminism.’

https://www.freyaindia.co.uk/p/you-cant-buy-an-authentic-self

You Can't Buy An "Authentic Self"

There’s a vanity to even thinking there is a self to be found

https://www.freyaindia.co.uk/p/you-cant-buy-an-authentic-self

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BackToLurk · 16/08/2026 20:56

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 16/08/2026 19:59

Yeah, absolutely, my kid coming out in secondary school, going through years of intense bullying, sexual harassment and constant threats of sexual assault was because of late-stage capitalism.

And trans women who struggle to find employment other than sex work because rampant bigotry? Aye, late-stage capitalism.

It's given them so much! Strange it does so about the age of four, when most trans people work out who they are, but what the hell.

It's not at all that you crave any explanation which would excuse your weird obsession with a tiny minority. And be a way to blame them for their own persecution. Absolutely not.

Never mind that most trans people report they'd rather be cis because of the never-ending threats, bigotry and violence they suffer. And are only trans because it gives them peace, makes them feel whole.

Never mind that being trans is rare but completely normal, and that trans people existed long before Karl Marx was a glint in his mum's eye.

Yeah, absolutely. Reduce people to things, objects. Patronise and compartmentalise and label them. God forbid you could stop seeking origin stories for them like they're fucking Batman.

There probably is a way you could have got more of the wrong end of the stick, I’m just not sure how.

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JellySaurus · 16/08/2026 20:59

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/08/2026 17:04

I LOVE reading and over the years I've bought a lot of books (to the point that I have bookshelves all over my house) but I don't approach reading the way that BookTok does - the extreme consumerism that applies to that online community is frightening.

The book hauls, the shelf building/rearranging videos, the e-reader pimping videos, the videos and tutorials about creating the perfect reading nook, the shaming people who can't keep up...everything that is good about the hobby of reading is taken to such capitalistic excess that it totally removes the joy and the benefit of settling down and losing yourself in a good book.

So much that brings joy to people is now being marketed back to them as competition to spend the most money and gain the most attention.

What’s all that got to do with reading? None of it is needed. pure revenue-generating, performative consumerism.

Rather like something else we’re discussing…

Hedgehogforshort · 16/08/2026 23:47

I have only a short time tonight but posting so i can follow tomorrow.

I have often thought about this, having listened to Dr P Dionne Joseph, clinical psychologist on “incitefulsisters” podbean provoked me to think some more on this very subject.

The podbean is well worth a visit.

I was a counsellor and a developer of services specifically in the field of sexual and domestic violence.

In working with trauma, i developed a method of helping a person recognise their “authentic” self.

The naked being both physically and emotionally was something to be explored. The mirror was an important place to talk about, as we all look in it. Looking at ones naked self can often be hard.

My work often involved looking at all life experiences, on being a child, trauma, bullying, isolation, addiction, loss of relationships, struggles to “fit in”. Reactions to troubling situations, etc. And everything that made them feel worthless and othered.

The key was two fold:

integration of all of that that in to sense of self and embracing that in the moment. I am who and what i encounter.

Secondly once integrated the real self is “reclothed” so to speak. How then to relate to other people, now self intact, and negotiate this difficult life without falling to bits, when a challenge or difficulty occurs.

Such as friendships hobbies communities, and work.

And finally a question was, how often did you look in the mirror today and why?

The mirror gets put away except for occasional grooming.

Capitalism in the sale of products to improve oneself, or ones body, has generated an endless supply of customers because they can never be satisfied.

The selfie culture in its infancy, and facebook as it has become feeds in to causing further insecurities.

Its like capitalism stole a generations mirror and it follows them around.

ElenOfTheWays · 17/08/2026 02:08

BackToLurk · 16/08/2026 20:56

There probably is a way you could have got more of the wrong end of the stick, I’m just not sure how.

They just wasn't trying hard enough.

Grin

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/08/2026 02:08

This YouTuber does some interesting videos analysing the effects of modern capitalism on women:

Icelandicnights · 17/08/2026 07:08

BackToLurk · 16/08/2026 15:10

There’s a difference though between enjoying things that express your personality, and happen to cost money, and the idea that you must buy things in order to define that personality. Even as an expression of a personality, there’s a difference between, for example, enjoying reading and engaging in the commodification of reading.

Being one's 'authentic' self is the self expression of personality traits of which encompass personal individual preferences. It's an alignment of inner experience/self awareness & outward expression.

And yes, personal preferences often cost money. A 'butch' female wanting to express her inner 'masculinity' traits might need to purchase more masculine coded clothing as an expression of herself. Or conversely, a more 'effeminate' male might purchase eye make up.

Expression & authenticity go hand in hand. And just because the business world encourages such consumerism doesn't change this fact. If anything they are successful because human psychology demands it.

The idea that humans are otherwise empty vessels who lack individuality & a desire to express said individuality is argy bargy woohoo nonsense that defies common sense…except when there's a trans 'demon' to hunt.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 09:49

Icelandicnights · 17/08/2026 07:08

Being one's 'authentic' self is the self expression of personality traits of which encompass personal individual preferences. It's an alignment of inner experience/self awareness & outward expression.

And yes, personal preferences often cost money. A 'butch' female wanting to express her inner 'masculinity' traits might need to purchase more masculine coded clothing as an expression of herself. Or conversely, a more 'effeminate' male might purchase eye make up.

Expression & authenticity go hand in hand. And just because the business world encourages such consumerism doesn't change this fact. If anything they are successful because human psychology demands it.

The idea that humans are otherwise empty vessels who lack individuality & a desire to express said individuality is argy bargy woohoo nonsense that defies common sense…except when there's a trans 'demon' to hunt.

Edited

This article happens to focus on transpeople. Shared here as this is a feminist board talking largely about gender. A board focussed on racial identity might have considered a similar piece about the selling of 'Blackness'.

There is a substantial and well-documented body of literature regarding how identities are repackaged, marketed and sold. Most of it comes from a Marxist perspective. As others have touched on, it's not a particularly new argument. I saw this, wasn't sure it had been shared before and found it interesting as it came from a younger writer than normal.

It's interesting how many trans activists manage to suspend any critical faculties in relation to the impact and influence of capitalism when transgender people are part of the conversation. Of course, a smarter commentator might have said something along the lines of "Well, obviously this is what is happening, 'all women' are subject to this" and then we could have explored that. I guess Reddit still aren't sending us their finest.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 17/08/2026 09:55

How different is this to women with labia plasty, breast implants, multiple surgeries? The Kardashians, Joan Rivers, Lil' Kim.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 10:06

Slightyamusedandsilly · 17/08/2026 09:55

How different is this to women with labia plasty, breast implants, multiple surgeries? The Kardashians, Joan Rivers, Lil' Kim.

There is a difference in the fact that in these cases 'womanhood' is being sold back to women, who already possess it. The wider analyses around 'marketing identity' apply in much the same way.

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Pingponghavoc · 17/08/2026 10:13

Slightyamusedandsilly · 17/08/2026 09:55

How different is this to women with labia plasty, breast implants, multiple surgeries? The Kardashians, Joan Rivers, Lil' Kim.

A woman wanting a mastectomy for aesthetic reasons may be no different to other women having breast implants for aesthetic reasons. Its the opposite side of the same coin.

Its extreme, dangerous consumerism.

If a woman is sold the idea that a mastectomy makes her less of a woman or more of a man is being sold a lie. I dont think women see having breast implants as making themselves more 'woman' than the already are.

When mastectomies for trans surgeries are sold as 'healthcare', similar to a women with breast cancer having mastectomies. Its another lie. One saves lives, the other is cosmetic.

Icelandicnights · 17/08/2026 10:15

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 09:49

This article happens to focus on transpeople. Shared here as this is a feminist board talking largely about gender. A board focussed on racial identity might have considered a similar piece about the selling of 'Blackness'.

There is a substantial and well-documented body of literature regarding how identities are repackaged, marketed and sold. Most of it comes from a Marxist perspective. As others have touched on, it's not a particularly new argument. I saw this, wasn't sure it had been shared before and found it interesting as it came from a younger writer than normal.

It's interesting how many trans activists manage to suspend any critical faculties in relation to the impact and influence of capitalism when transgender people are part of the conversation. Of course, a smarter commentator might have said something along the lines of "Well, obviously this is what is happening, 'all women' are subject to this" and then we could have explored that. I guess Reddit still aren't sending us their finest.

Perhaps you lack basic marketing 101 which requires a consumer connection.

Marketing to personality traits means shaping brand message to match how different people think, feel, and act. By using psychology models like the Big Five or classic personality types, brands can build make their ads feel personal.

So its not as if consumers purchase because they have been 'conned' but rather because they personally connect with the message.

It's interesting how many anti trans activist infantilise people because they don't agree with their choices.

guinnessguzzler · 17/08/2026 10:20

Thanks, OP, I enjoyed reading this and whilst her observations may not be ground-breaking, it is good to see them from, and shared with, the younger generation. It makes me so angry when I see young mums at the school gates with lip filler and all the rest in an area where many people don't really have money. These companies preying on insecurities and society goes along with it. One of the most feminist acts a woman can do in this day and age is to love herself as she is. And it is ridiculous that that should be so hard now.

I think it was Gandhi who said, 'The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others' and I do believe he was right on that.

Bloody capitalist patriarcy.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 10:52

Icelandicnights · 17/08/2026 10:15

Perhaps you lack basic marketing 101 which requires a consumer connection.

Marketing to personality traits means shaping brand message to match how different people think, feel, and act. By using psychology models like the Big Five or classic personality types, brands can build make their ads feel personal.

So its not as if consumers purchase because they have been 'conned' but rather because they personally connect with the message.

It's interesting how many anti trans activist infantilise people because they don't agree with their choices.

As I said " trans activists manage to suspend any critical faculties in relation to the impact and influence of capitalism when transgender people are part of the conversation." Or maybe you are just a neoliberal, which people are allowed to be if they want.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 17/08/2026 14:14

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 10:52

As I said " trans activists manage to suspend any critical faculties in relation to the impact and influence of capitalism when transgender people are part of the conversation." Or maybe you are just a neoliberal, which people are allowed to be if they want.

Agree.

Advertising campaigns of the past created insecurities in women such as telling them they needed to douche with Lysol to be 'fresh', telling them they needed to shave their body hair to be feminine, telling them to use radium-containing products on their skin or in their eyes to look 'glowing'.

And, today, advertising tells women to use fillers, botox, have BBL surgery, have eye and brow lifts, contour their faces with makeup, remove buccal fat in their cheeks, create 12 step skincare routines, encourages them to have 'everything' showers. A lot of these new 'elements of being a woman' didn't exist even 20 years ago, they were created and marketed to young women by businesses that wanted to make money.

Capitalism creates categories of product and then undermines the confidence of a group of people it wants to develop as a market. It has nothing to do with meeting unmet needs or personality types.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/08/2026 13:35

Seethlaw · 16/08/2026 13:05

I guess that takes us back to, "What the hell is our authentic self anyway??" If we live in one way and we think we're fine, but then our circumstances change and we adapt our behaviour to them and we discover we're even happier this way, then can it be said that at any point in our life, we knew what our authentic self was and how to express it best? After all, maybe even in our new, more happiness-inducing circumstances, we're still not at our happiest? Maybe a completely different life would make us even happier? How would we know?

I'm not really going anywhere with this, mind you, just thinking out loud.

I'm not convinced that my authentic self has to be happy – at least, not all the time, and not necessarily even most of the time. Indeed, I'm not sure it's healthy to have very high expectations of happiness. Life includes grief, loss, loneliness, pain, as well as joy, gain, companionship, health. I don't think a life without the hard stuff is necessarily a better life. "It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." That resonates with my experience, even though I will almost certainly experience the grief of loss again and again. It sometimes seems that being emotionless is the worst fate of all.

Today's society sometimes looks to me like one in which people think something is wrong with them if they are unhappy, whereas to me it is part of life to be accepted, but with the hope of better things to come. Following a sports team can teach this life lesson, and yet there are fans who have an extraordinarily entitled outlook in which they seem to think that their team's continual success is owed to them.

Waitingfordoggo · 18/08/2026 14:02

Totally agree with all of that @RapidOnsetGenderCritic. There is a general feeling in modern times that everyone needs and deserves happiness. ‘Treat yourself’ etc. None of us are owed happiness or joy- they’re just emotions that hopefully most of us will be lucky enough to experience from time to time. I guess it just goes to show how easy our lives are now compared to many around the world and throughout history who are/were just trying to survive.

JellySaurus · 18/08/2026 15:08

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The honourable and dignified aims of the American Constitution have been taken to such extremes that they are distorted beyond recognition.

1 Anything taken to extreme becomes so distorted that it harms the very people it is supposed to serve.

2 Just because you can, just because you have the right to, doesn’t mean you should.

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