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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Prison invited a drag queen to perform for sex offenders to celebrate LGBT prisoners

46 replies

FunStork · Yesterday 08:48

HMP Moorland ran an LGBT themed sports day featuring Pride flags and booked a drag queen to perform to inmates.

This was to celebrate the diversity of inmates, many of whom identify as LGBT.

More than half of the inmates are convicted sex offenders, many paedophiles.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/09/prison-lgbt-sports-day-drag-queen-moorland-sex-offenders/

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Gagagardener · Yesterday 08:57

You couldn't make it up.

icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 09:00

Jesus wept!

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 09:01

Why is this a concerning thing? If there was inappropriate content, then, sure, that would be cause for concern. But the mere fact of special LGBT events - or a drag queen performing to adults - doesn't seem objectionable.

Prisons are shit places, and on balance, my reaction is to be pleased that something positive is being arranged, rather than anticipating concerns about possibly non-existent inappropriate content.

FunStork · Yesterday 10:25

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 09:01

Why is this a concerning thing? If there was inappropriate content, then, sure, that would be cause for concern. But the mere fact of special LGBT events - or a drag queen performing to adults - doesn't seem objectionable.

Prisons are shit places, and on balance, my reaction is to be pleased that something positive is being arranged, rather than anticipating concerns about possibly non-existent inappropriate content.

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We are very a sick society if we think it's appropriate that men who sexually abuse children should be rewarded by being entertained by cross-dressing men doing performances for them, paid by the taxpayer.

I can't believe an adult human being would need that to be explained to them.

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Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 10:26

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 09:01

Why is this a concerning thing? If there was inappropriate content, then, sure, that would be cause for concern. But the mere fact of special LGBT events - or a drag queen performing to adults - doesn't seem objectionable.

Prisons are shit places, and on balance, my reaction is to be pleased that something positive is being arranged, rather than anticipating concerns about possibly non-existent inappropriate content.

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Why should anyone in prison expect to be entertained lgbt or not? Ridiculous.

Devilsmommy · Yesterday 10:27

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FinchiePink · Yesterday 10:33

There are entire programmes of outreach and entertainment for prisoners. This includes cinema nights, careers days, addiction support, talent competitions, inspirational talks, teaching skills, and a fair bit more.

There are entire volunteer organisations who do this. Most people who entertain in prison do it for free, and unless you have concrete evidence otherwise I don't think you can say that this cost the taxpayer anything.

I really don't understand why a drag queen is being singled out here.

Prisons are not hermetically sealed from the outside world and prisoners, no matter how foul they may be, remain human.

FunStork · Yesterday 10:35

Prisons should not be celebrating the sexual identities of paedophiles and rapists.

Maybe that's why this drag queen is being singled out?

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MyThreeWords · Yesterday 10:35

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 10:26

Why should anyone in prison expect to be entertained lgbt or not? Ridiculous.

Prisoners are people too. Have you not read anything at all about the abysmal conditions in prisons? Do you think that treating someone as if they deserve no respect and compassion at all makes them come out of prison a better person or a worse one?

FunStork · Yesterday 10:36

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 10:35

Prisoners are people too. Have you not read anything at all about the abysmal conditions in prisons? Do you think that treating someone as if they deserve no respect and compassion at all makes them come out of prison a better person or a worse one?

You're upset that paedophiles and rapists are not getting sufficiently entertained in prison?

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Devilsmommy · Yesterday 10:38

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 10:35

Prisoners are people too. Have you not read anything at all about the abysmal conditions in prisons? Do you think that treating someone as if they deserve no respect and compassion at all makes them come out of prison a better person or a worse one?

Are you seriously saying that we should show compassion to rapists and pedophiles? Did they show their victims that? They're fucking scum and don't deserve any entertainment at all imo

FinchiePink · Yesterday 10:41

FunStork · Yesterday 10:35

Prisons should not be celebrating the sexual identities of paedophiles and rapists.

Maybe that's why this drag queen is being singled out?

They're not "celebrating the sexual identities of paedophiles and rapists".

It was a sports day in a category C prison, which was apparently a "low key" event organised to "recognise diversity", according to the article you linked.

I don't know about you but most people are fully aware of how much paedophiles are hated in the prison system. They certainly won't be celebrated by any stretch of the imagination. They tend not to be in category C prisons for their own safety.

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 10:42

There are no lesbians in an all-male prison so the L wouldn’t have come into it.

That might sound like nitpicking & I know it’s in the article title but I’m so sick of lesbians being dragged into the alphabet soup shit.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 10:52

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 10:35

Prisoners are people too. Have you not read anything at all about the abysmal conditions in prisons? Do you think that treating someone as if they deserve no respect and compassion at all makes them come out of prison a better person or a worse one?

I don't think uk prisons are abysmal, no. I think prison should be punishing and second to that, rehabilitating. Not sure how having a drag queen brought in fits into either of those categories.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 10:54

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FinchiePink · Yesterday 10:57

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 10:52

I don't think uk prisons are abysmal, no. I think prison should be punishing and second to that, rehabilitating. Not sure how having a drag queen brought in fits into either of those categories.

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Rehabilitation is wide-ranging and includes a variety of entertainment to help keep prisoners in touch with the outside world so that they don't become institutionalised.

That's how drag queens, and indeed any other entertainers, fit into it.

Pingponghavoc · Yesterday 10:59

I was going to question why we entertain prisoners at all. But thinking about it, being trapped having to watch a drag performance is a harsh punishment for most.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 11:01

FinchiePink · Yesterday 10:57

Rehabilitation is wide-ranging and includes a variety of entertainment to help keep prisoners in touch with the outside world so that they don't become institutionalised.

That's how drag queens, and indeed any other entertainers, fit into it.

Thanks. I just don't agree a drag queen is an appropriate form of entertainment under the guise of rehabilitation, for any prisoner. There are many more suitable alternatives.

Pingponghavoc · Yesterday 11:05

It's bonkers to think that to rehabilitate men who have committed violence against women and girls, we entertain them with grotesque caricatures of women.

FinchiePink · Yesterday 11:08

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 11:01

Thanks. I just don't agree a drag queen is an appropriate form of entertainment under the guise of rehabilitation, for any prisoner. There are many more suitable alternatives.

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I don't know why it wouldn't be suitable.

By all accounts in the Telegraph article they apparently didn't do an awful lot.

lcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 11:14

Isn't it arguable that gay and bi prisoners are already more catered for than the heterosexual ones? Prison marriages are a thing after all. You could say this is actually cruel to the men who won't entertain a same sex relationship.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · Yesterday 11:14

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 10:35

Prisoners are people too. Have you not read anything at all about the abysmal conditions in prisons? Do you think that treating someone as if they deserve no respect and compassion at all makes them come out of prison a better person or a worse one?

Well gosh, maybe if the criminals didn’t commit the crimes they wouldn’t end up in prison?

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 11:29

FinchiePink · Yesterday 11:08

I don't know why it wouldn't be suitable.

By all accounts in the Telegraph article they apparently didn't do an awful lot.

Using a drag queen as entertainment is inappropriate for several reasons:

  1. Providing high-energy, camp, or celebratory entertainment to individuals convicted of rape and child sexual abuse minimises the severity of their actions.
  2. Using public funding on these events within a facility housing sex offenders is highly insensitive to the lifelong trauma experienced by survivors.
  3. Prisons should provide intensive psychological intervention and behaviour management. Theatrical or adult-themed performances do not align with the somber environment required for accountability and rehabilitation.
  4. Events of this nature fuel public backlash regarding "luxury" prison conditions, creating a perception that high-risk inmates are being rewarded rather than disciplined.

I'm going to assume you won't agree because, wild stab in the dark here... your version of ethics doesn't align with mine.

FinchiePink · Yesterday 11:41

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 11:29

Using a drag queen as entertainment is inappropriate for several reasons:

  1. Providing high-energy, camp, or celebratory entertainment to individuals convicted of rape and child sexual abuse minimises the severity of their actions.
  2. Using public funding on these events within a facility housing sex offenders is highly insensitive to the lifelong trauma experienced by survivors.
  3. Prisons should provide intensive psychological intervention and behaviour management. Theatrical or adult-themed performances do not align with the somber environment required for accountability and rehabilitation.
  4. Events of this nature fuel public backlash regarding "luxury" prison conditions, creating a perception that high-risk inmates are being rewarded rather than disciplined.

I'm going to assume you won't agree because, wild stab in the dark here... your version of ethics doesn't align with mine.

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Providing high-energy, camp, or celebratory entertainment to individuals convicted of rape and child sexual abuse minimises the severity of their actions

How, exactly, does it minimise the severity? Drag queens in particular, since apparently you don't object to other kinds of entertainment. Why not cinema nights?

Using public funding on these events within a facility housing sex offenders is highly insensitive to the lifelong trauma experienced by survivors.

Was public funding used? If so, please could you link to your sources?

Prisons should provide intensive psychological intervention and behaviour management. Theatrical or adult-themed performances do not align with the somber environment required for accountability and rehabilitation.

Prisons can provide both. They are not mutually exclusive. I would also like to see the source for this performance being adult-themed, because per the article linked the drag queen apparently mostly just stood about not doing much.

Events of this nature fuel public backlash regarding "luxury" prison conditions, creating a perception that high-risk inmates are being rewarded rather than disciplined.

The ignorance of the general public is not a good reason to stop these events.

These inmates are not high-risk. This is a category C prison.

So no, I don't agree with your points because most of them are incorrect or pure conjecture.

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 11:54

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · Yesterday 11:14

Well gosh, maybe if the criminals didn’t commit the crimes they wouldn’t end up in prison?

There is PLENTY in prisons that is punitive, rightly so. But they are also meant to provide rehabilitation - esp a Cat C training and rehabilitation centre like this one. You can't rehabilitate someone without treating them with a certain level of respect and humanity. As a PP has said, among other things this involves a wide range of visits, events and resources, many from volunteers.

Surely it is easy to see that, even with such resources, prison is still fundamentally an awful, dehumanising and terrifying place to be. There isn't any need to worry that prisoners are having a lovely time. They just get a few cracks of light in amongst the awfulness.