It comes in answer to an audience question about Pride and how some areas are claiming that they can’t allow Pride because of “religious freedom” (I’ll hazard a guess that the religion they’ll be concerned with won’t be Christianity but no mention of anything like that of course). So Chiara then says:
“Yeah I mean, you know, the realm of relationships and sex education. And just like diversity in schools is one of the big interests of ADF (Alliance Defending Freedom- US Christian Right group) and others you have organisations like, you know, I don’t know, Sex Matters for example.
They have all these, like, toolkits for parents to complain to your school if you know, they have a trans inclusive policy or they want to do Pride. And yeah, so I think, you know, what they’re good at doing is to kind of make things sound like, organic.
And I think that, yeah, it is part of their agenda. And again, it’s about having conversations like, I don’t know, like where do the other parents hear these things from. Like, is it really an issue or it’s just kind of hyped because sometimes it’s, it’s not necessarily something that a lot of people think. But then schools are risk averse and then, you know, you go into like a scenario that’s not, that’s not good.
They then decide that they can produce their own toolkits to defeat the wrongthink Sex Matters ones.
Deborah Francis White: So maybe get the toolkit that Amnesty’s got and go in and do the same thing and say here’s the counter to that, that our children are being deprived. It’s not like anybody’s saying, oh, why don’t we show the children a bunch of sexual positions. (isn’t it, Proud Trust dice, anyone?)
(DFW still fighting her straw man) It’s not about that. It’s about love, and possibilities, and families looking different, which they do. It’s no good hiding that from them, also they can see that in their society.
then the other guest Alison Spittle chimes in, allegedly she’s a comedian, no comment. Ive listened to the whole podcast twice 😩 an hour and a half I’ll never get back.
AS: I suppose like a thing though, I’m worried about, is like on the left we’re always like on the defence. It’s like when someone brings up their religious freedom and like we were celebrating Pride for years in schools and then they bring this suddenly “our religious freedom” and then that feels hard. Like it feels like because they got the money and they’re able to go on the offence, but-
DFW: I think it’s the only way to, if someone at the school has said well it’s going to counteract religious freedom, we need to argue why it doesn’t. The freedom to be yourself is more important than anything, I think.
then she starts banging on about System 1 and 2 thinking.
So all this functions as a pretty effective smear of Sex Matters, an organisation whose focus is the sex based rights of women and girls, but also men and boys. Not a religious organisation but the way they’ve talked about it casually is like it’s a UK branch of the ADF and that’s what their listeners will think.
And DFW and her guest are complete idiots, but Capraro is there in her capacity as a director of Amnesty. It’s essentially an argument from authority.