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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So many Irish women murdered in 2026

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SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 00:55

More women murdered in Ireland between January and July 2026 than whole of 2025. Sad day for us and a worrying statistic when I think of DD. Another very violent death this week. Theres no answer but I know you all know how I feel.

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Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:35

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 17:34

I don't think anyone is denying that. What they're saying is that the rates are rising (and they are: there have been more murders in the first 6 months if this year than in the whole of last year, and mostly by foreign men) not because Irish men are getting more murderous but because we are importing men from societies where rates of femicide are MANY times higher than the rates in Ireland.

Why is it acceptable to say that rates of violence against women are enormous in Afghanistan, Syria or Palestine, but not to say that men who arrive unvetted from those countries are likely to bring those attitudes with them?
OECD: Tackling Violence Against Women in the Middle East and North Africa
End femicide in Jordan: American Bar Association

From https://www.unwomen.org/sites/default/files/2025-11/femicides-in-2024-global-estimates-of-intimate-partner-family-member-femicides-en.pdf:
"Moreover, Africa continues to account for the highest number of victims of intimate partner/family member femicide relative to the size of its female population (3 victims per 100,000 in 2024). The Americas and Oceania also recorded high rates of intimate partner/family member femicide in 2024, at 1.5 and 1.4 per 100,000 respectively,while the rates were significantly lower in Asia and Europe, at 0.7 and 0.5 per 100,000 respectively"
(Ireland is 0.31, so lower than the EUropean average.)

If many of the Irish men who beat their wives punch the wrong place, or strangle her too long, they'll be a statistic, too.

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:38

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 19:35

How does the data tell you that?

Due to the number of women who experience sexual violence and abuse.

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:40

It wasnt so long ago that Irish people were the problematic immigrants nobody wanted next door. "Statistics" supported that, too.

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 19:44

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:38

Due to the number of women who experience sexual violence and abuse.

Care to share where you have found data on the sexual violence and abuse suffered by Danish women that is not included in their national statistics office data? I’d be interested in diving into it.

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 20:01

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:33

What that tells me is that native Danish men are rarely convicted of the crimes they commit.

FFS . .well done on adding 2+2 and coming up with 750,000.

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Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:03

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 19:44

Care to share where you have found data on the sexual violence and abuse suffered by Danish women that is not included in their national statistics office data? I’d be interested in diving into it.

We know that men abuse women. Are you asking for stats on that?

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:05

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 20:01

FFS . .well done on adding 2+2 and coming up with 750,000.

Do you think conviction rates for things like DV and SA are high? Who do you think is most likely to circumvent prosecution for a crime?

A middle class Danish man, subject to all the benefits of Danish citizenship and Nationality by birth.

Or a poor immigrant.

Ellensapple · 09/07/2026 20:11

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:40

It wasnt so long ago that Irish people were the problematic immigrants nobody wanted next door. "Statistics" supported that, too.

So what is your answer we should ignore the problems that inward migration is causing completely because our forefathers were also acknowledged as highly problematic migrants. There was a whole Irish mafia operating in New York in the 1800s it absolutely was not all sweetness and light.

There is a middle ground to this. Inward migration is a positive thing but you would want to have suicidal levels of a fairly toxic empathy to want to be unwilling to look at all at the current situation and not want some thought to it and apply some controls to it.

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 20:11

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:03

We know that men abuse women. Are you asking for stats on that?

Yes, you have insinuated that a larger proportion of danish men have not been convicted for their sexual crimes against women, than men from the countries I cited, enough to skew the data majorly….The data that currently shows men from other countries such as Syria are up to 7 times more dangerous than danish men to women in Denmark.

It’s quite a claim so I would like you to back that up with reliable references or data that have compelled you to make that claim.

Or is it just a ‘hunch’ or a ‘feeling’ you have that you’ve thrown out there to try and back up whatever weird, badly presented stance you’re trying to take on this thread?

Ipsevenenabibas · 09/07/2026 20:16

UtopiaPlanitia · 09/07/2026 17:24

As discussed in this podcast, American and German women have refused to press charges against men who raped them because they, ideologically, felt they had white privilege over their non-white attackers - ideology can lead women to hurt themselves, and place other women in danger, if they don't have common sense as well.

https://overcast.fm/+ABSd2lDSzxk

Fucking hellfire.

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 20:18

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:05

Do you think conviction rates for things like DV and SA are high? Who do you think is most likely to circumvent prosecution for a crime?

A middle class Danish man, subject to all the benefits of Danish citizenship and Nationality by birth.

Or a poor immigrant.

Denmark regularly ranks #1 in the world out of over 140 countries in the World Justice Rule of Law Index. Your ‘point’ has zero merit or basis… another ‘hunch’ of yours I suppose?

https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2025

WJP Rule of Law Index

Explore rule of law rankings for 143 countries in the WJP Rule of Law Index

https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2025

parlona · 09/07/2026 20:32

Women don't matter. The men do, and especially those who arrive without passports seeking asylum. No one has a clue who they are, what their background is, and where they are really from and what they are actually escaping.

As for the Governor of the CB (mentioned above) and others, well there is a significant difference, they at least would have had to apply for a working visa, so the State knows a lot about them. And they are working and contributing, just like thousands of other legal immigrants to Ireland.

If asylum seekers were as saintly and productive as we are told they will be at some point in their future citizenship/ILTR/Residency, then they also could apply for a visa. Costs money though.

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 20:36

MarieDeGournay · 09/07/2026 19:14

And how do you propose we ban all men from all those places?

Your blanket ban also exclude the Governor of our Central Bank, Gabriel Makhlouf - he's from one of the places you mentioned.

I'm not nihilistic, I'm pragmatic.

LOL How do other countries manage? Ireland is now the only EU country that has no test of basic language skills when someone requests Irish nationality. That's how Riad Bouchaker who was in the country for nearly 20 years needed a translator for his trial for stabbing those little girls in Parnell St. Still, he had enough English to say that Ireland is a "shit" country.

He was also unemployed, and apparently what set him off trying to murder children was that his application for some Benefit or other hadn't come through after three months.

Why are we taking in men like that? Do we want them? Because they clearly only want to exploit Ireland and the financial benefits they can get. And that's a best case scenario, because there are certainly others who are being sent by ISIS or whoever as sleeper agents.

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 20:39

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:05

Do you think conviction rates for things like DV and SA are high? Who do you think is most likely to circumvent prosecution for a crime?

A middle class Danish man, subject to all the benefits of Danish citizenship and Nationality by birth.

Or a poor immigrant.

I'd say it's the very opposite: the middle class Danish man is more likely to have beaten up his middle class Danish partner, who is herself far more likely to have the wherewithal to take him to court, compared to a vulnerable immigrant woman who will typically speak the language of the country she's in LESS well than her partner, and have fewer outside contacts as well.

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 20:46

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 19:35

If many of the Irish men who beat their wives punch the wrong place, or strangle her too long, they'll be a statistic, too.

I've literally no idea what point you're making here. Are you saying the differences in rates of male violence between countries are wrong and that there a single global rate regardless of country or nation?

Because if you are, that's nonsense. Mexico has one of the highest rates of femicide in the world, and guess what? The countries around it are also among the highest - because they share a macho culture of power over women, and also have gangs and drug trafficking. There isn't an equivalent number of dead women in Ireland or Germany or the UK that we just haven't counted. There just are more women murdered per head of population in Mexico and El Salvador than in the EU or the UK.

(But maybe that's not what you saying?)

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 21:19

Lexibletheflexible · 09/07/2026 20:05

Do you think conviction rates for things like DV and SA are high? Who do you think is most likely to circumvent prosecution for a crime?

A middle class Danish man, subject to all the benefits of Danish citizenship and Nationality by birth.

Or a poor immigrant.

I actually snorted out loud that you can simultaneously generalise that white privileged Danish men can get away without convictions while then referencing all the "poor immigrants" and use it to undermine an actual published statistic.

The image of "poor immigrants" is well out of date. Even our government has admitted that something like 85% are economic migrants travelling from other jurisdictions for our benefits

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/07/2026 23:00

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 21:19

I actually snorted out loud that you can simultaneously generalise that white privileged Danish men can get away without convictions while then referencing all the "poor immigrants" and use it to undermine an actual published statistic.

The image of "poor immigrants" is well out of date. Even our government has admitted that something like 85% are economic migrants travelling from other jurisdictions for our benefits

The ‘godfather’ of people trafficking who is residing in the UK and applying for asylum (he’s come here from France) is a multi millionaire. I’m sure there are plenty more. The BBC found plenty of evidence of illegal gangs made up of immigrant men who deal in fake cigarettes, drugs and worse.

It sounds like Lexible is indeed extremely flexible after all those mental gymnastics needed to repeatedly deny the obvious reality being presented. ‘Poor immigrants’

UtopiaPlanitia · Yesterday 00:47

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/07/2026 23:00

The ‘godfather’ of people trafficking who is residing in the UK and applying for asylum (he’s come here from France) is a multi millionaire. I’m sure there are plenty more. The BBC found plenty of evidence of illegal gangs made up of immigrant men who deal in fake cigarettes, drugs and worse.

It sounds like Lexible is indeed extremely flexible after all those mental gymnastics needed to repeatedly deny the obvious reality being presented. ‘Poor immigrants’

Nah, that poster takes a contrarian position on every thread. There's no meaningful discussion to be had there about an issue that actually and directly affects Irish women.

The BBC investigation is surprisingly detailed and I'd love RTÉ, or at least the Sunday World, to carry out something similar here.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:38

Ellensapple · 09/07/2026 20:11

So what is your answer we should ignore the problems that inward migration is causing completely because our forefathers were also acknowledged as highly problematic migrants. There was a whole Irish mafia operating in New York in the 1800s it absolutely was not all sweetness and light.

There is a middle ground to this. Inward migration is a positive thing but you would want to have suicidal levels of a fairly toxic empathy to want to be unwilling to look at all at the current situation and not want some thought to it and apply some controls to it.

They werent acknowledge as problematic. They were cast that way and treated like a problem by authorities. The Irish became white.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:40

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 21:19

I actually snorted out loud that you can simultaneously generalise that white privileged Danish men can get away without convictions while then referencing all the "poor immigrants" and use it to undermine an actual published statistic.

The image of "poor immigrants" is well out of date. Even our government has admitted that something like 85% are economic migrants travelling from other jurisdictions for our benefits

I went by the fact that most of the poorest people in Denmark are immigrants as they are not all subject to welfare.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:41

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 20:46

I've literally no idea what point you're making here. Are you saying the differences in rates of male violence between countries are wrong and that there a single global rate regardless of country or nation?

Because if you are, that's nonsense. Mexico has one of the highest rates of femicide in the world, and guess what? The countries around it are also among the highest - because they share a macho culture of power over women, and also have gangs and drug trafficking. There isn't an equivalent number of dead women in Ireland or Germany or the UK that we just haven't counted. There just are more women murdered per head of population in Mexico and El Salvador than in the EU or the UK.

(But maybe that's not what you saying?)

No I am saying that the countless Irish men that beat their wives every day can just as easily murder them if they hit them in the wrong.place. luckily, they just beat the shit out of them and rape them rather than kill them.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:43

Emilesgran · 09/07/2026 20:39

I'd say it's the very opposite: the middle class Danish man is more likely to have beaten up his middle class Danish partner, who is herself far more likely to have the wherewithal to take him to court, compared to a vulnerable immigrant woman who will typically speak the language of the country she's in LESS well than her partner, and have fewer outside contacts as well.

That's not how it works. Woman reports man. Report goes nowhere due to his social power. Man gets away with crime.

If you're raped by someone with less privilege than a middle classed white man, your chances of convicting that person in court are higher. When that middle classed white man rapes or beats you, you'll be cast as a lying, bitter bitch

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · Yesterday 06:48

@UtopiaPlanitia theres a curious lack of critical analysis of Irish data by news outlets. At best Gript reports, thankful theres one but proper discussion needs different angles discussed in different sources. The 80 billion euro last few years to mainstream medua must have helped. All you see is the diversity NGOs immediate response getting immediate publication. It puts us all at risk as nothing will change

@Emilesgran incoming migration is now a business at all strps and won't ever stop sadly. Lots of money made by those who facilitate movement into mainland Europe, lots of money made by ipas owners and now lots of money made by companies providing accommodation and services for incoming children.

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SmallorBigorBigorSmall · Yesterday 06:53

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:41

No I am saying that the countless Irish men that beat their wives every day can just as easily murder them if they hit them in the wrong.place. luckily, they just beat the shit out of them and rape them rather than kill them.

......and the "poor immigrants" dont do that no? So your logic is the unfortunate immigrants need to learn from the white Irish how to domestically abuse their partners not kill themselves. Well done 🍪

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:56

DontWantACat · 09/07/2026 20:18

Denmark regularly ranks #1 in the world out of over 140 countries in the World Justice Rule of Law Index. Your ‘point’ has zero merit or basis… another ‘hunch’ of yours I suppose?

https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2025

"Despite recent steps by the government to improved access to justice for survivors, rape in Denmark is hugely under-reported and even when women do go to the police, the chances of prosecution or conviction are very slim. Of the women who experienced rape or attempted rape in 2017 (estimates vary from 5,100 according to the Ministry of Justice to 24,000 according to a recent study), just 890 rapes were reported to the police. Of these, 535 resulted in prosecutions and only 94 in convictions."

The best place to get accurate statistics around male violence are rape crisis centres. They don't just deal with the people they had no choice but to listen to.

The other thing is if 2 people from Mars come to Earth, and one of them murders someone, then half the Martians that moved to Earth are murderers.

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