6 employees at a Mother and child unit shot and killed in Germany by a Father

[mrshoho]

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Horrific, just horrific. A man is told no and takes 6 lives. A place where the priority is to keep women and children safe. Only saving grace is no mothers or children were killed.

OMG that’s terrible. How on earth did he get the gun?! It says he was known to the police and didn’t have a firearms licence.

Really? No mothers or children killed. Are the adults that died less worthy as they are not mothers? The mind boggles.

4 women and two men were killed.

Fucking men.

Of course it’s a relief that no children were killed, but 6 adults were. No one can possibly know if any of those adults were parents or not, and I’m not sure why it’s relevant.

The report you’ve linked to describes the location as a “youth facility” not a Mother and Child unit. It’s unclear what kind of location it was and the suspected perpetrator was there for a custody hearing.

The BBC report says it's a centre for mothers snd children.
"Six people have been fatally shot at a centre for mothers and children by a suspect who was in a custody dispute over his baby daughter, German police say."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17yzzw1vkjo

Such a disturbing story, there seems to be quite a few at the moment.

There's some limited details about the attacker here: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-at-least-6-killed-in-shooting-in-stade/a-77754951

That's why he wasn't getting custody of a vulnerable little human being....

I agree that there is something particularly horrific in the killing of children, of babies, but I hope the OP mis-spoke when she suggested that the murder of people who are not mothers or children can in any way be seen as being a 'saving grace'.

Thanks, the BBC article is clearer. It sounds like this man shot the people he was meeting with regarding the custody of his baby daughter. Absolutely horrific.

As @SilenceInside said, we don’t know that any of the six adult employees killed weren’t parents anyway. It’s likely that at least some would be.

Of course I am horrified by the murders of these innocent employees. I can see how my wording may be taken to mean their lives are not as valued but I didn't mean it that way and yes they could be mothers or fathers. I meant the mothers and children housed there where they sought safety from harm. It does say in other articles that there are a number of wounded people too. I find it horrific that a man feels he can do this because he's been told no.

Yet another man gives us good reason to pick the bear :(

They really do see other people as NPCs don't they?

Why are the mothers there though more important than the staff? I’m mystified in your thinking. People don’t go to work expecting to be murdered.

I heard this on the news earlier today and thought it was probably familicide ie when men kill wife and children rather than lose control of them.

But this recent news story (which may be wrong) seems to indicate something different:

All the victims - four women and two men - were employees of the facility. The man’s three-month-old daughter and the mother are safe.
The alleged shooter, the mother, and another female are in custody, officials said.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/six-killed-in-shooting-at-mother-and-child-shelter-in-northern-germany/

and this:

Two suspects fled in a vehicle driven by a female companion, and police pursued them along B73, stopping the car after shooting out a tyre before arresting both at gunpoint; another woman was detained later. The area was sealed off as forensic experts and police examined the scene.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/insight/police-say-custody-battle-behind-stade-shooting-that-killed-six/gm-GM2D814C5B

I suppose better to wait rather than speculate.

But obviously any one shot by a man who thinks if he cant get this way he can get a gun and kill people to show just how angry he is at not getting his way.

It’s clear from the BBC article linked up thread that the man, who was later arrested, opened fire on the people who he was there meeting with to discuss custody arrangements for his baby daughter. He is not related or acquainted with anyone he killed.

Us non mothers are less worthy.

Who is saying anything other than this?!

Nobody has said that. Someone misunderstood.

The media (presumably quoting the German police) are saying it is a family incident.

What a vile thing to say

What is vile about it?

This is just a mistranslation. The German news media have some truly stomach churning/eye roll worthy terms they tend to use for Domestic Violence, the most common one being "Familiendrama" which sounds like an argument over the washing up, not a mass shooting.

They are reporting the incident as being DV related because it is, it's related to a child custody case. The child and the child's mother were not harmed, which I think might be because they were not present although I'm not sure.

The people who were killed were likely social workers and other professionals working with the family, although they haven't released details yet. TBH I thought of this when I saw the thread yesterday about social workers being at risk from violent parents.

It is not that unusual for criminals in Germany to be able to get hold of guns because it has so many borders with countries which are all part of the Schengen agreement so they are unmanned. That said, it's not common either. It doesn't compare to the US for example, people aren't going around fearing violence day to day. But they do have some fairly bad stats for gun violence compared with other European countries.

The reporting in the English language media is very confusing because there are mistranslations all over the place, some of the terms used (e.g. Jugendeinrichtung) don't have a direct translation to English anyway. Essentially this is a building usually owned/run by the local social services department which may serve as a kind of youth club or hub for youth services, but can also be used as a place for meetings to happen such as the meeting which happened in this case, and sometimes they have living facilities or can be schools as well. The one closest to me is a special school for SEMH but is also a residential care home as well as running various other services. It's too far away from anything to be a drop in service but they have an office in the village centre which does have drop ins. The Jugendamt is slightly different in scope to the UK children's services/social services.

TBH there are some very odd things coming out in the German media and I think the whole picture will make more sense in a few days/weeks.

Well other than the father being a violent maniac which seems clear already.

Yes there's some talk of him being part of a Kurdish(?)/Turkish crime family, or maybe a clan - is that what you mean?
(Again I've only seen that in English, so it may not be entirely accurate either)

Apparently (according to AI) the direct translation is:

Officials—including Lower Saxony's Interior Minister Daniela Behrens—have stated the attack is being investigated as family-related, stemming from an ongoing dispute over child custody.

And expanded to say this:

The Motive: Both German outlets like Bild and British outlets like the BBC confirm that the shooting stemmed from a private family custody dispute over a three-month-old girl. 1, 2]

The Suspect: German police statements—reprinted identically in the UK—identify the main suspect as a 45-year-old German citizen of Turkish origin living in Hanover. 1, 2]

The Victims: Both presses accurately report that six people were killed (four women and two men), all of whom were staff members at the mother-and-child welfare shelter. 1, 2]

The Baby's Safety: Reports in both countries correctly state that the infant and her mother were present at the facility during the scheduled appointment but were unharmed. 1, 2]

The Background Context: Follow-up reports published by Agence France-Presse (AFP) and shared across UK platforms like Yahoo News accurately translate German prosecutor updates, noting the custody dispute was linked to allegations that the father had previously shaken his infant daughter. 1]