I used to get beaten up by queer bashers. Now I get threatened by people calling themselves queer.

[IwantToRetire]

A review of ‘Kindred in Chaos: 19 Lesbians in the Age of Gender Identity’, edited by Tonje Gjevjon.

... Tonje Gjevjon, a Norwegian artist who was investigated by her own police force for saying men are men, gathered them through the network around Women’s Declaration International, LGB Alliance and the Lesbian Not Criminal roadshow. The book is funded by Fritt Ord, the Norwegian free-expression foundation. The testimonies follow a loose template. Bullied at school. A few good years on the scene. The arrival of the word “queer”. The friends who transition. The peaking. The cost.

These women did not coordinate. They are in Norway and Mexico and rural New South Wales, describing the same decade from inside their own lives. By the time Aja in the UK, a name familiar to my UK readers, runs into the same young lesbian couple twice in one summer, both of them now bearded and calling themselves gay men, you have stopped treating any single story as anecdote. Nineteen similar stories from around the world make for a slim book, but the weight is in the experience they share of the worst crisis for gay people since AIDS. ...

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/she-was-never-sick

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If you press her ‘edited’, you’ll see what she wrote.

I've never seen that before on FWR - having to click on edit.

But still doesn't explain the bit in between <>

Yes, it’s a little obscure. I’m sure Kumquat has her reasons.

@GallantKumquat
I am sorry you have had your post deleted.

Once it was explained to me that MN has introduced some strange new edit function I thought what you wrote was totally relevant.

So i f I sounded a bit harsh its more weather related. It feels like my eyeballs have been sweating all day, so everything has been more that a fuzzy.

No worries. Nothing to do with your OP or response to mine. I try not to respond to posts with my own personal experience because it can be manipulative and isn't verifiable. Of course none of us can help but bring our own experience to a posts, but I felt mine crossed the line.

Well I dont think of personal experiences as being manipulative.

I suppose if the thread is about some sort of research or something.

But given the content of the book (as quoted in the review) it seems that much of it is made up of the personal experiences of women finding that friends etc., who had said they were lesbian and the next time you meet they are talking about being trans men.

But of course, this isn't to pressure you to be personal if it doesn't feel right.

This is a second article by Glinner that is written in a very different style. When I first read it (shared on facebook) I hadn't even realised it was him.

Thanks @IwantToRetire and yes, this is transing away the gay. It is no longer legitimate to be a lesbian. This sounds like a really good book.

Very sad stories. When you think there are no lesbian bars left in San Francisco, wtf.

None?! Is this the same across the US?

Although as I am not sure there are any genuine lesbians bars left in the UK I shouldn't be surprised.

And a woman who is constantly trying to get a licence to run one is always rejected on some bureaucratic nonsense, and quite likely a campaign by "lesbians" casting doubts on her motives.

I recall an article about the last lesbian bar in SF closing , by Rebecca Solnit. Lots of nostalgia about the old days etc. Then she mentions the presence of trans ' lesbians ' among the attendees,in a positive way of course.
Very experienced journalist , Rebecca, but she is never going to win a ' Join the Dots ' competition....