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This is the guidance the NFWI didn’t want you to see ….

68 replies

Marmaladelover · 26/06/2026 14:55

I have been looking for this for ages it’s mentioned in another set of recent general guidance on subgroups and visitors- a subject now close to NFWI hearts due to wanting us all to believe that TWAW ( organisational belief apparently) and the formation of sisterhood.

it’s not searchable on their website as far as I can tell.

i guess they didn’t want us to see it in case anyone was preparing a complaint or legal case against them

Helpfully , Hampshire Fed have posted it on their website for all to see

Personally I saved the PDF in case it disappears again . Always good to have receipts.

https://www.hampshirewi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Sisterhood-Groups-Guidelines-Final.pdf

https://www.hampshirewi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Sisterhood-Groups-Guidelines-Final.pdf

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WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 21:28

The sheer amount of fucking wasted effort in this.

Why don't the women who are so desperate to include men in the WI just set up their own mixed sex group?

Theunchosenone · Yesterday 21:33

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 21:28

The sheer amount of fucking wasted effort in this.

Why don't the women who are so desperate to include men in the WI just set up their own mixed sex group?

Because the TIM don’t want that. It’s not the women who accept them they want, it’s the ones who refuse to comply. They don’t want a mixed sex group. They want women’s groups.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:43

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 21:27

'Whilst the group is open to all, the groups will have a clear ethos (reflecting the NFWI ethos) and organisational belief: that transgender women are women. Anyone keen to be part of the group and willing to support this ethos is welcome to attend, and you are able to ask people to leave if they are unable to be supportive.'

Be interesting to see how this goes down in court.

‘Organisational belief’ isn’t going to stand up to scrutiny in the wake of FWS: a charity set up for women has to be just that - for female people.

Spin off groups for TW will have to be open all men and to all women, including those with the protected belief that you can’t change sex.

tesseractor · Yesterday 22:55

The sheer amount of time and effort and money National are wasting in this is beyond belief. And they’ve not given the members a chance to vote on this properly at any time. There’s been some surveys - Hampshire got an essay on my views, including about why I felt I had to be anonymous and that I had been made to feel unwelcome and unwanted as a member. But they’ve still not put any of it to a proper vote - though since we always vote in public with a show of hands that’s not easy either.

MyAmpleSheep · Today 03:01

HolyMonthof · 26/06/2026 21:34

Will the TIMs even want to go if there isn't any validation

Not in a million years. It's just a pity party for trans-identifying man, and who wants to attend that?

In 12 months this will all be consigned to the rubbish tip of what "someone thought was a good idea but nobody wants to own up to it having been them."

WrongKindOfFeminist · Today 07:20

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:43

‘Organisational belief’ isn’t going to stand up to scrutiny in the wake of FWS: a charity set up for women has to be just that - for female people.

Spin off groups for TW will have to be open all men and to all women, including those with the protected belief that you can’t change sex.

Yes. I'm wondering if it will be possible for an organisation to discriminate on the grounds of belief like that - 'gc women are excluded' was the effective message.

Clearly they're doing their level best to twist their way out of the law.

And again, if it means so much to them, why not just set up another group that is mixed sex? They can call it Super Extra Girly Girls Group for Feminine People and have whoever they like. And let the women have their WI.

WrongKindOfFeminist · Today 07:20

Actually maybe they can't call it a 'girls' group. Soz lads.

Super Feminine Swishy Hair Group for Extra Feminine People

WrongKindOfFeminist · Today 07:23

Extra Ladylike Headtilters

Or even just The Nice Group For Lovely Good People Who Care.

DoYouSellBuckets · Today 07:48

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 21:28

The sheer amount of fucking wasted effort in this.

Why don't the women who are so desperate to include men in the WI just set up their own mixed sex group?

Many have. Around 20 WIs the last time I saw a figure have done just that. I imagine NFWI didn't want to lose them (a lot were 'younger' groups) hence the Sisterhood attempts

NowSober · Today 08:35

DoYouSellBuckets · Today 07:48

Many have. Around 20 WIs the last time I saw a figure have done just that. I imagine NFWI didn't want to lose them (a lot were 'younger' groups) hence the Sisterhood attempts

I don't think they will be very concerned over losing 20 groups out of 7,000.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 11:02

MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2026 20:45

I think the deeper issue is why the WI, which has declared specific charitable objectives, going to all this bother - and potentially expense - to facilitate people other than women, who are the subject of their declared charitable objectives?

Just because they are not-not-allowed-to exercise ingenuity to get around the EA2010 and their declared charitable objectives doesn't mean they should.

The whole thing is bizarre - an organisation which is very definitely, historically and legally according to its objectives, centred on women, tying itself in knots to somehow include men.

I think it runs deeper than coming up with some ingenious way to invent WI-affiliated groups that can legally include men: the deeper issue is why on earth the WI would do such a thing.

It's not like men, however they identify, are deprived of social groups, be they men-only, transwomen-only, or mixed. So why these WI 'Sisterhood' groups at all?

My mum was a WI member for years and was proud of the activism which made things better for women. Now their activism is making things worse for women.

The women spearheading these things are an utter embarrassment.

WrongKindOfFeminist · Today 11:11

DoYouSellBuckets · Today 07:48

Many have. Around 20 WIs the last time I saw a figure have done just that. I imagine NFWI didn't want to lose them (a lot were 'younger' groups) hence the Sisterhood attempts

Well done those groups! At last, a sensible response.

Anyone who wants mixed sex whatever is free to go ahead and set that up, and leave women's stuff alone.

It'll probably be a lot more fun for all of them, anyway. Good KIND people will be far happier in their special Inclusive Groups, far from the great unwashed and less enlightened and non-progressive horribly cunty types.

Just leave us be in our horrible wicked groups for pedantic biological reality, and we'll let them get on with the Right Side of History.

quantumbutterfly · Today 16:28

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 21:28

The sheer amount of fucking wasted effort in this.

Why don't the women who are so desperate to include men in the WI just set up their own mixed sex group?

Because they wouldn't have access to WI resources?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 16:30

quantumbutterfly · Today 16:28

Because they wouldn't have access to WI resources?

back when the WI started, they didn't have access to WI resources either. The resources were built up, by women, for women.

these people who want to be part of a mixed sex group should do the same

quantumbutterfly · Today 16:47

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 16:30

back when the WI started, they didn't have access to WI resources either. The resources were built up, by women, for women.

these people who want to be part of a mixed sex group should do the same

Ah but it's so much easier to piggyback (or cuckoo) an existing org.

SabrinaThwaite · Today 18:19

quantumbutterfly · Today 16:28

Because they wouldn't have access to WI resources?

The WI is a charitable organisation for women.

Why should men have access to those resources?

quantumbutterfly · Today 18:33

They shouldn't of course, but the question was 'why don't the women (cuckooing for men) set up their own mixed sex group ?'
The answer is that it's easier to use the resources of an established group. ( The same has happened with the 'green' party).

MsGreying · Today 18:42

All the financial responsibilities of a charity are tied up in their actions.

And gift aid is a delightful tangle of pain if you get it wrong.

Do the sisters group need extra insurance?

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