Update on the puberty blockers trial

[Hoardasurass]

They're going ahead with the puberty blockers trial and it will be open to girls as young as 11 and boys from 12. So it looks like we're going to have to fight again to stop this eugenics campaign of sterilising predominantly gay and autistic children

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4b3e2839923e3d87

So they're going to deliberately create sterile adults who have no sexual function, and everyone is powerless to stop them. Including the politicians who say they are uncomfortable with the idea.

Archived; archive.ph/hYXnJ

Under 16s to be banned from social media but 11 year olds can consent to future sterilisation, harm to their mental and physical development and a limited adult sex life.

Make it make sense.

Creeps

The double standard drives me mad. I recently saw the green party were considering supporting a ban on child circumcision because kids can't make that choice, but they totally support kids making the choice to permanently sterilise themselves.

Either kids can consent to these things, or they can't. (They can't) They can't have it both ways

These children will be the guinea pigs so that Someone In Charge can finally stand up and be the adult who says to the activists, 'these drugs are too dangerous, which we now have proven evidence for, so now we are going to ban them'.

Twenty years from now when they find out what kind of 'lives' these children turn out to have.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5544405-to-think-11-year-old-girls-should-not-be-eligible-for-the-newly-restarted-puberty-blockers-trial

This is terrible. Both that it is going ahead at all, and that the children involved are so young.

A couple of wtf moments: "Children taking part in the trial will be promised up to £500 in Love2Shop vouchers"

And: "A lower age limit was not previously introduced as good ethical practice dictates that children who are clinically eligible should not be discriminated against on age alone"

Also, why can girls participate at a younger age than boys? Presumably because girls start puberty earlier. But just because girls' bodies mature faster doesn't mean their minds mature faster. This is from the same mindset that thinks it's a less serious crime to have sex with underage teenage girls than with boys because those girls are "more mature" than boys of the same age

They have learned NOTHING since they announced the trial the first time. Shopping vouchers? Up to £500? What eleven year old child who is either desperate or has been told by her parents that she can be a boy, would turn down such an incentive?

Everyone involved in this should be in prison, including Cass.

This is absolutely horrendous. In what world is it ethical to offer this treatment to anyone under 18?

I was an actual "trans kid", in that I "knew" I was a boy from a very young age, and transitioned much later as an adult. And yet...

They say the kid can give their assent - yes, but to what? In my case, if I'd been asked at age 11, I wouldn't have given my assent to go through the trial or not: I would simply have given my assent to whatever my mother wanted.

I trusted my mother and the adults around me to have my best interests at heart. I trusted that they knew better than me. So if they'd told me, "You should do it", I would have said yes, even if I'd been scared to death or reluctant for whatever reason. And if they'd said, "Don't do it," I would have refused to do it, no matter how desperately I might have wanted a chance to become more like a boy.

It would have had nothing to do with what I wanted to do - and everything to do with what the adults around me wanted me to do.

It breaks my mind that anyone who works with children can not be aware of that. And my heart is also breaking for the children who will be grossly abused during this trial. It's wrong, it's evil, and there's no excuse for it.

Now we know that children with ASD are particularly drawn to identifying as transexuals, as well as children who have been sexually abused….this is deplorable. How can politicians be so spineless

FFS we don't allow under 18's to get a tattoo [or their parents to consent to it] The harms are there in plain sight.........😡

Is the article about this? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-the-pathways-clinical-trial

Because if it is, or in fact about some other aspect, as a Government statement it is as clear as mud

It isn't on the MRHA either.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency

No doubting the news reports but surely this should be somewhere in the public domain.

Does anyone know if it is?

Girls as young as 11 set to be handed puberty blockers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/77a2313c5ebba59b

This might be a different view than many but I might not have a problem with girls as young as 11 (providing any physiological risks can be minimised) but would be concerned about girls as old as 14 being kept in suspended animation
Puberty does start earlier - and some of thosd children most vulnerable to gender ideology may not be emotionally or intellectually ready for it. So I can see a value in the original idea of just creating a delay till the mind catches up with the body. So long as the next step is normal puberty not cross sex hormones.
With that in mind I wonder whether what is needed is not a minimum age but a maximum one - say 12 to 13 for girls, 14 to15 for boys. Or whatever age is agreed as appropriate by knowledgeable people with no pro trans bias.

@KkkIt
So I can see a value in the original idea of just creating a delay till the mind catches up with the body.

So, you're happy with adults experimenting on children to see what happens, are you? Because that's what this trial will do.

So long as the next step is normal puberty not cross sex hormones.

Well, that's not going to happen, is the problem. The whole point of giving puberty blockers to the kids is to avoid them going through the so-called "wrong puberty" until they are old enough to be put on cross-sex hormones.

To be honest the rationale for this comes across as a sort of medical paedophilia.

Good observation. This has been pointed out many times by (I think) MrsOvertonsWindow or Ophelia:

Who benefits from a cohort of adult-age people who have the physical and emotional maturity of children?

Puberty blockers don't delay puberty. They block it.

Puberty isn't some nebulous thing that you can hang around for. If you block the appropriate hormones for, say a year. You block a year of growth, mental and physical development. A year of growing up.

Puberty is a time period in someone's life that happens at a certain age. If you miss it, you miss it. You can't go through puberty at 18, or 20. You've missed it.

That is why transmen are often smaller then the average women. They missed out on that growth.

This is why on average people on pb have a lower IQ. You stopped their brains growing.

This is why pb can cause infertility. You stopped their genitals and reproductive organs growing at the time they were supposed to grow.

This is a process that you can't delay without skipping parts of it entirely.

So I can see a value in the original idea of just creating a delay till the mind catches up with the body.
The brain is part of the body. If you block puberty you will block the maturation of the brain. The mind will never 'catch up' with the body.

Awful.

This is criminal.

I can see a value in the original idea of just creating a delay till the mind catches up with the body. So long as the next step is normal puberty not cross sex hormones

Unfortunately, the act of taking puberty blockers makes children highly likely to carry on to cross sex hormones and surgery. So it's not a neutral 'pause'

knowledgeable people with no pro trans bias

I don't think people without a pro trans bias are going to be involved with this trial. And we can't really be knowledgeable about the effects of puberty blockers because there has been no systematic follow-up of the children who have been given them so far. The whole thing is a massive experiment. An experiment on children

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but being put on puberty blockers even for precocious puberty has lifelong consequences for the patients/victims which is why theirs a massive class action lawsuit by women who were given lupron (a brand of puberty blockers). Also women and girls who take puberty blockers for more than 6 months risk being put into permanent premature menopause and the pbs also prevents brain maturation.
Honestly pbs need to be considered an X drug (ie 1 that is never given) for children