EHCR Lib Dem response

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Apparently our Lib Dem mp has objected to the EHCR guidance because it would be unfair to women

“I am also incredibly concerned about the effect that this will have on women trying to access women-only spaces. This guidance creates a situation in which anyone can be challenged whilst accessing facilities based on how well someone else believes they visually conform to gender stereotypes. I think it is abhorrent that a woman could be made to feel they are 'not feminine enough' to access a woman's space, particularly those who have recently undergone a mastectomy or chemotherapy. This would cause embarrassment at best, and potentially huge self-confidence and mental health issues at worst. Women should be able to access services and facilities safely and with confidence. “

is it just me or isn’t this hugely misogynistic that a women is only someone with huge breasts and long hair.

thoughts.

And to think I actually voted for these sexists in every election I could for over 20 years.

Separating spaces and services by sex is the very opposite of separating them by 'feminine' or 'masculine' stereotypes.

And their solution to this imagined problem is to make all single sex spaces mixed sex. There isn't an eye roll big enough.

Sounds like your MP is regurgitating the unbelievable story put out by Mrs Maugham.

he is just making things up to justify his opposition to the guidance. Which clearly states that there should be no policing of toilets.

In any event most of us would not mistake a women for a man, even if they have had a mastectomy or have no hair it’s all the same old bollocks

‘Incredibly concerned’ about something that no one was in the least bit worried about before males decided they could colonise women’s spaces.

he also said.

1. “Women should feel safe and be able to access single sex spaces where appropriate.
2. Trans people should not be made to feel like abhorrations, alienated from society.
3. These positions do not have to be mutually exclusive.

surely the answer is men need to be happy to accommodate trans women. Women have long accommodated “non-feminine” women.

I feel like a second class citizen

Your MP can pull the other one.... where was and is their deep, compassionate concern for the women excluded from women's single sex spaces when they are mixed sex? The women with trauma, the women of varied cultures and faiths - unless we're going all Reform on views there - the women with disabilities among others?

Pulling the 'oh I care so much about theoretical issues for women with mastectomies' while totally ignoring the exclusions and disasters for women this has actually happened to repeatedly is so shallow and insincere it's insulting to women.

All that says to me is that they are happy to pretend compassion for women when it suits their agenda and provides a bit of a figleaf over the top of what is in fact a desire to bed male supremacism in law.

Libdems are funded by the drugs company making 'sex change treatment' for children. They are therefore not permitted to believe there is any difference between male and female.

So you know what?

I would LOVE to be challenged about my sex in the Ladies.

Because it means women feel strong enough to challenge who is using the facilities.

What they are really saying is not that women will be challenged (and the vast majority, including me, won’t be challenged), but that women cannot be trusted to know what they are seeing or to define the terms of their own boundaries. That women are not allowed to set out own boundaries.

That’s the heart of the issue.

This is absolutely pathetic and this nonsense is the main reason I stopped voting for my LibDem MP.

I'm currently bald from chemo and to suggest I don't look like a woman is ridiculous and offensive. My body and the way I move haven't changed. Absolutely no one has had any problems identifying me as female and even if they did I wouldn't care. I'd just put them straight and go about my business. I don't need this idiot spouting their badly formed opinions on my behalf.

A Lib Dem man, no use to man nor beast. How surprising.

It is a pity libdems are thought-controlled by profit from the child abuse drug firm, because local libdem councillors have recently been voted in, to one ward, and it must be admitted have put in a lot of effort and done excellent work on locally important matters.

Wishing you well. I couldn’t agree more.

Said Lib Dem mp is a vet. Am sure he understands the difference between sexes of animals he treated.

We keep getting this absolute fairyland tosh -

you cannot provide single sex resources for women AND let men with gender identities into them. The two things are mutually exclusive. They cannot seem to process this bit at all.

Dear God, and to think that 20 years ago nobody felt the need to reason who could and who couldn’t use women’s single sex spaces.

We can all see this is an absolutely pathetic faux and convoluted concern to justify men being allowed into single sex spaces. How patronising. Incidentally the man I encountered in a women’s public toilet last week had bigger breasts and longer hair than me. I certainly did not feel safe.

We have coined new terminology for this recent, oft-rolled out phenomenon: Rapid Onset Women with Alopecia, Cancer Survivors and Butch Lesbians Concern (or Rapid Onset Everyday-looking Women Concern), with thanks to @HenriettaSwanLeavitt

It's just one of the latest, well-worn activist tactics, because they have nothing else anymore.

Desperate doesn't even begin to describe it.

People shouldn't need to be challenged when using toilets and changing rooms if organisations provide a single occupancy 'gender neutral' facility for those with trans identities that require them - in the same way they have to provide an accessible disabled facility. Some organisations are already doing this.

People must be expected to do the right thing, though circumstances can be made easier for them to choose to do the right thing.

FFS. Just that really.

Personally I find comments like this MP’s make me feel “unsafe” to coin a phrase. The OP over on the latest Guardian thread used the expression: “fighting a rearguard action against reality”. I find it truly frightening that so many people in influential positions are going along with this crap and have either given it so little thought (charitable interpretation) or are so shameless that they’ll write a letter like that to a constituent

The women's and equalities select committee took the golden award with the sob story about a TIM lorry driver not being able to use the showers for women at service stations.

i was advised by some on FWR that they are lockable single units.

Well exactly. If there weren't hundreds of women being turfed out of the ladies loos in the 80s (when far more women actually had short hair, if that is what this muppet equates femininity with) why would it suddenly become an issue in 2026. A woman without hair (i.e as a side effect from chemo) just looks like a woman without hair. She doesn't suddenly grow 6 inches taller, a beard and an Adam's apple. Same for a woman without breasts/flat chested. If they are challenged then the moment they explain they are women their voice is usually very clearly female.

Most people can very reliably tell the difference between men and woman.

I appreciate that if you are one of the (very) few women who do occasionally get challenged this might be a bit unpleasant - but I found it a bit upsetting when someone thought I was my dd's gran. Sometimes people make mistakes, and even if that results in hurt feelings that doesn't mean there should be a law against it!

I think this faux performative 'compassion for women' (when a group is identified that furthers the male supremacist agenda) more revolting than I would just honest misogyny.

Who the hell at this point do they think they're still kidding?

Completely agree. It turns my stomach.

It's same old, same old: using women and girls as props to try to get what they want. We aren't even fully-human, so what does it matter if they use us like this?

I sometimes wonder if they would use their own mothers and sisters like this?

(Then I read the 14-year old "trans girl" sports thread and remember, yes, they would and they do).