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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Calling females with ambiguous appearance

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Brainworm · 13/06/2026 10:07

TRAs are expressing increasing levels of concern for females whose presentation is ambiguous in relation to their sex. They often cite women with allopecia, cancer survivors and butch lesbians.

I thought it might be productive if we collate some ‘lived experiences’ so we can provide constructive advice to those concerned.

I am 5 feet 11. I have very broad shoulders and short hair, but not balding. I am also a cancer survivor (mastectomy) and live in ‘gender neutral’ clothes. No jewellery, no make up, always trousers, always flat shoes (trainers).

Pre menopause there were occasions when people did a double take, especially in winter when wrapped up - I was very hour-glassy (not willowy), so not androgynous in that sense. Once or twice, over 30 odd years I had people say things like - gosh, you’re tall, which I sensed was communicating some concern. As soon as I spoke, all concern was lost - probably due to 2 things. My voice is clearly female, and the nature of my response was pleasant.

Post meno, my waist has thickened. My fat distribution is still female indicating but less so, so I am less obviously female than before. However, I haven’t been questioned or challenged more. If I was, I have no doubt the same would apply once I responded as outlined above.

So, my advice to females who have androgynous, ambiguous or male appearances (I’m excluding those who take exogenous hormones with the intention to pass as male) is to accept, as fact, that your appearance is one that could lead people to question your sex. If this is upsetting, try and work on self acceptance - we are a lot more than our outward appearance. If someone questions your sex within the context of single sex provision, see this as them looking out for you, just as much as more feminine looking women. Rest assured that if you speak, this alone is likely to dispel their fears.

Anyone else have any tips to share? It would be great if the TRAs didn’t have to worry about this group and could instead focus on finding solutions for trans people.

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SwirlyGates · Yesterday 11:10

DeanElderberry · Yesterday 09:14

Bottom line is that too many of them don't 'just wanna pee', they want access to a place with non-consenting women in uniquely vulnerable situations.

They can pee anywhere, including the men's loos, and do it far more quickly than women can.

If you were on a train you might have had cause to visit one of the few mixed-use loos we encounter regularly. Often a horrid reminder of many men's refusal to sit down and keep shared spaces clean.

Train loos - recently a guy came out of one that I was waiting for, and said, "Sorry," to me. I thought he meant, "Sorry for keeping you waiting," but no, the seat was covered in piss and he knew it. One day I'm going to lose my rag and chase one of these guys down the train to humiliate them for their disgusting behaviour.

remembranceofthingspast · Yesterday 11:15

I get paranoid rad fems insisting I'm a man and having a go at my appearance. Supposed feminists.

I'm not even butch looking, quite the opposite.

It's put me off the whole movement.

SwirlyGates · Yesterday 11:16

SomeGarlic · Yesterday 07:49

That was my first thought - I've also replied that it's happened to me. But I do agree with her conclusion. These tales of distressed lesbians, usually with video interviews of them shaking & crying, have all struck me as more staged than Othello at the Globe.

Seems to me that it's trans people and their allies who do the shaking and crying (or claim to). The rest of us are somewhat more resilient to the ups and downs of daily life.

anyolddinosaur · Yesterday 11:30

If this is such a common event I'd love to know why no-one has ever said this to me and it has never happened in my presence. Maybe I look so masculine that everyone is too scared to raise it with me 😂

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