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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It boils down to this

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FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 20:04

  1. If the difference between men and women isn't our bodies, what's the point of dividing humans up into groups called men and women in the first place? Why create that division at all?
  2. If the difference between men and women isn't our bodies, why is it such a huge problem for TRAs to admit that humans nevertheless do have two sexes with different bodies?

Seems to me on the one hand they create an unnessessary difference between people based on nothing at all, and on the other they desparately try to quash any recognition of an actual difference that clearly does exist and clearly has significant consequences especially for the people who are female.

Makes no sense at all to me.

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MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 20:27

There's a big factual void at the centre of transgenderism, you've pointed out one aspect of it.
#nodebate, name-calling, abuse, threats, hyperbole about literal annihilation, violence - I think these are all tactics to try to hide the lack of rational grounding.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 20:37

It's because 'trans' isn't just men IDing as women, or women IDing as men, that's just one small part of the bigger Queer Theory.
Your point 1 is QT your point 2 is 'trans'. It doesn't make sense because the 2 are diametrically opposed to one another. 'Trans' needs sex to exist otherwise there's nothing to 'trans' from/to. QT says sex is a spectrum, that we are both man and women at the same time, so differentiating between the two is meaningless.
If the batshittery wins eventually the 'trans' will be 'queered' away, just like gay is being 'trans' away.

Arran2024 · Yesterday 20:39

Because being trans involves wanting to use single sex services - just not of their biological sex. Trans women want to use the ladies' toilets. Anything gender neutral doesn't suit them. So they need society to retain the same sex stuff sovthey can use it. So they claim that gender ID exists and is important and has to be accommodated and anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

Empowermenomore · Yesterday 20:42

One of the many contradictions.

Sex is whatever they want in a given moment.

There is none, two (one I wish I was and the other I wish to scape) or many sexes and even sex changing like clown fish. Everything goes if it suits their nonsense.

dinodart · Yesterday 20:50

None of it makes any sense... it can't be rationalized. And I think it's fundamental nature of being complete BS is what makes them even more fanatical about it. They have to "believe" in it rather than work from logic, and they always feel like they are sinning and must do better cause it's built on lies and incoherence so they are always failing to be good little believers.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 21:22

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 20:37

It's because 'trans' isn't just men IDing as women, or women IDing as men, that's just one small part of the bigger Queer Theory.
Your point 1 is QT your point 2 is 'trans'. It doesn't make sense because the 2 are diametrically opposed to one another. 'Trans' needs sex to exist otherwise there's nothing to 'trans' from/to. QT says sex is a spectrum, that we are both man and women at the same time, so differentiating between the two is meaningless.
If the batshittery wins eventually the 'trans' will be 'queered' away, just like gay is being 'trans' away.

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This goes a long way to describe the dissonance.

So much of the time is spent trying to distract from pointing out the disconnect.

hholiday · Yesterday 21:28

I feel like much of my life now involves giving a weary sigh as people weld their lives to completely irrational philosophies that fall apart under any kind of scrutiny.

i think some of the isssues are – the US has very divisive politics. Social media has exported those extreme views around the world. The organisations that should have been scrutinising all of this and holding it to account have instead been completely captured by it.

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 21:55

Well, it's clear as mud to me! All I can point to are the years of women asking the same questions, and getting nothing except misdirection or silence:

Define gender. Without using social stereotypes.
How can you "trans" to female sex if you weren't male sex to begin with?
How does chopping off body parts make you actually change sex?
How are babies made if no one knows what sex anyone else is?
Define "trans" without reference to sex.
Define "trans" without reference to gender.
If some people are trans in their minds, and sex is a spectrum, why do you need to mutilate your body? Why can't you just think yourself trans?
If "trans" is all about looking like the opposite sex, not about what's in your mind, then how do you explain all the "transpeople" who say it's about dysphoria?
How can you look like the opposite sex if there's no such thing as sex?

And so on, so forth.

There aren't any answers because the whole thing is a sham.

Lots of very misguided people with way too much time on their hands. Dragging society down with them, just because they want to.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · Yesterday 22:43

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 20:37

It's because 'trans' isn't just men IDing as women, or women IDing as men, that's just one small part of the bigger Queer Theory.
Your point 1 is QT your point 2 is 'trans'. It doesn't make sense because the 2 are diametrically opposed to one another. 'Trans' needs sex to exist otherwise there's nothing to 'trans' from/to. QT says sex is a spectrum, that we are both man and women at the same time, so differentiating between the two is meaningless.
If the batshittery wins eventually the 'trans' will be 'queered' away, just like gay is being 'trans' away.

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I think this is a really important point. The incoherence of QT is a feature, not a bug. It is a type of political anarchy that wants to dismantle boundaries and reboot society. The old-fashioned HSTS has already started to be consumed by it. Every time someone says 'none of it makes any sense', I think 'well that's the point'.
Capitalism is already taking advantage, of course. Medicalisation, surgeries, pornography, the DEI industry, the lawyers: more stuff to sell.

mydogisfat · Today 00:03

Radio 4 had a debate on national identity recently. Taking itself rather seriously with input from politicians such as Kemi and Rishi on what it means to be English and covering birth place, ethnicity, culture and belonging. Apparently there is a set of criteria that define Englishness. You can’t simply lay claim to the identity.

Not for the time I found myself rolling my eyes at the sheer irony how debates like that garner intelligent thinking, whilst those same politicians lose all critical analysis when it comes to gender debate.

Their double standards are shameless.

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · Today 00:14

It's all about stereotypical female behaviours - whereby wearing a dress, growing your hair, painting your nails or just using a female name is enough to supposedly make you a woman; yet having a female body - a 'stereotype' which is participated in by 1 out of every 1 woman - apparently doesn't actually count for anything whatsoever.

I'm not at all saying that all men who claim to be women and demand access to female single-sex facilities are predatory perverts; BUT if you were a predatory pervert, it's doubtless exactly the kind of behaviour that would hold a great attraction to you.

Bertiebiscuit · Today 00:31

mydogisfat · Today 00:03

Radio 4 had a debate on national identity recently. Taking itself rather seriously with input from politicians such as Kemi and Rishi on what it means to be English and covering birth place, ethnicity, culture and belonging. Apparently there is a set of criteria that define Englishness. You can’t simply lay claim to the identity.

Not for the time I found myself rolling my eyes at the sheer irony how debates like that garner intelligent thinking, whilst those same politicians lose all critical analysis when it comes to gender debate.

Their double standards are shameless.

But Kemi is, and always has been completely clear about what a woman is and that men cannot be women. Which is why i will vote Conservative at the nect G E if she is still leading the Tories

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