Trans Rights: The Conjuring Trick at the Toilet Door - AND left vs Liberalism ID

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https://labourheartlands.com/trans-rights-the-conjuring-trick-at-the-toilet-door/

In general - this piece is just fantastic. It deserves to be shared very far and very wide.

Personally Ive been struggling to come to terms with feeling and being centre left but being passionately against trans ideology. This has given me a clear unambiguous explanation, and one that’s given me hope.

Ah yes, that is a good point. Where people are using AI properly as a writing tool I think its use no more discredits the content than any other tool.

DH uses it for business communications and contract checking and finds it very helpful, raising good points for consideration and helping him to produce concise, clear text.

Good to know that pp can’t challenge the substance or detail of his article.

Yes. The article is spot on. Hopefully to be read by some of the useful idiots still wailing about men being denied access to women's undressed bodies.

Conservative voters are just as likely to be misogynistic (or antisemitic) as Labour voters, and to believe, or not, in magical things. I was looking for some clarity on this though. Why do you think Conservative voters are just as likely to be those things?

My position is that there is nothing in the philosophies of the Labour movement and of traditional Conservatism to tell us whether a randomly selected voter will be more or less likely than normal to be misogynistic or antisemitic or to believe in transgenderism. What is observed empirically is a different matter and may change over time. We do know from recent surveys that Labour voters are the most likely to believe in transgenderism.

For the full picture can you explain what you mean by far right populists?

Apologies for flouting Godwin's law, but Nazis are a good example. They arouse righteous joy in their followers by attacking selected scapegoats. Far left populists like Leninists and Pol Pot did the same thing, but we're less familiar with the latter in the UK. A polity in which trans people are scapegoated in this way for political gain is imaginable, but it's not what's actually happening, except in TRA's heads.

I don’t find the Labour Party approach to gender ideology remotely reasonable

I agree. Something went wrong and I think it's linked to the fact that the centre left is inescapably more authoritarian than the centre right. I will think on this some more.

Apologies for flouting Godwin's law, but Nazis are a good example. They arouse righteous joy in their followers by attacking selected scapegoats. Far left populists like Leninists and Pol Pot did the same thing, but we're less familiar with the latter in the UK. A polity in which trans people are scapegoated in this way for political gain is imaginable, but it's not what's actually happening, except in TRA's heads.

Why is do you think it is that we're less familiar with Far Left dictators in this country, especially as Communism as a political system has been very dominant since early in the 20th century.
Far Left populism is set to become more dominant in the 21st Century thanks to China becoming a Superpower, will we be turning a deaf ear to the lesson's that could teach us, in the same way we didn't learn any lesson's from the Soviet Union, Cuba, Vietnam, most of South America?

That’s a great article. Thanks

If China is part of the Left, words have again lost their meaning.

TRAs accuse GC feminists of being far right, not far left. And the fact remains that neither is treating trans people as a useful scapegoat right now. And nor are the main parties.

The question I was trying to articulate an answer to was: why are Labour more pro-trans than the Conservatives? I think it's because they are the party of regulation.

Centre left seek to regulate the economy to balance the interests of capital, labour, consumers, and the environment, rather than leaving it to the market.

And they take a Rawlsian view of disadvantage, legislating to mitigate it, instead of leaving it up to personal responsibility and voluntary philanthropy.

That made Labour the nanny state party: if anyone was going to legislate to 'protect' trans people, it was always going to be them, and they were always going to be smug about it.

The question is: what sort of idiot thinks transwomen are more vulnerable than women?

Given that women have been subjugated for millennia, and there has never been a society where the situation is reversed, I have to conclude that our suffering is just too big to be seen by the naked eye. They're used to it and they're fed up with the complaining wimmin, who are never satisfied. They've got trans ladies to champion now.

A joy to read. And by the way, SSSIS, I didn't know you were a bloke. What a nice surprise.

Labour voters are in favour of giving trans people additional rights, to the detriment of women

@theilltemperedamateur I would suggest that a majority of people who vote Labour do so in spite of not agreeing with the above.

True, because only 40% of Labour voters agree with TRA objectives like cross-sex service use and altering ID. But this contrasts with 20% for non-Labour voters. Even Green and LibDem voters are less captured than Labour voters!

I suspect that Labour backbenchers might be even worse. But that's not a reason to be against voting Labour if you like their other policies. Left voters have a self image of kindness, so need to be persuaded that this particular form of kindness is in fact cruel to quite a few people. It's a weirdly difficult message to get across, maybe not just because of misogyny, but because it's a complex topic that has effects in many areas.

And because it's contrary to the current sacred texts of the Guardian.