Judge Nicholas Rowland

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Must never be allowed to preside over a trial involving rape or sexual assault ever again.

This is an interesting article, and looks at sentencing guidelines and other complexities, but please don't let more victims suffer his complete lack of any empathy towards female victims.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a653d1ed-e178-41a7-bb03-3d433a704520?shareToken=b714a3cc871c7c657515b6594349108e

This judge is just as guilty of misogynistic views as the defendants. He could have sent a clear message that what they did was abhorrent but chose not to . He clearly minimised what they had done and is unfit to practice. He should be sacked .

@Mischance "The majority of the travelling community will be as appalled as we are."

Oh boy, I wouldn't hold your breath. I live very close to a number of traveller sites. The way they treat their animals alone would make you weep. And no it's not because I think all animals should sleep on four poster beds, it's just blatant bloody vile cruelty for the fun of it. To say nothing of the constant theft from shops, threatening shop staff, riding their pony rigs into cars, their kids throwing lumps of concrete at passing cars and highly aggressive scamming of pensioners and vulnerable people for things like tarmacking. I could go on and on. The behaviour and lack of respect for other people is actually hellish and completely unjustifiable. I know everyone's going to pile in and say they're not all like it, but if that's the case then it's obvious that 99% of them give a mere 1% a bad name.

Womrn and girls have received the message loud and clear: we don't matter

I think this is key. If they are incapable of understanding what they have done wrong then someone must be made to take responsibility for them, and yes they would be criminally liable for them if they commit further crimes. If the parents won't do it then they must be put somewhere.

Its not an option to have dangerous people wandering around harming innocent people who pay the price for a completely shambolic care and criminal system.

Thanks to @TooTrusting for posting the link to the petition. It was a difficult case, it I think Rowlands' complementary comments to the defendants was totally beyond what was acceptable. Appalling

The majority of the travelling community will be as appalled as we are.

They won't be appalled, many will be firmly on the side of the lads, travellers are generally a highly patriarchal culture and the mistreatment treatment of girls, women, animals and those outside their own communities is routine.

Honestly - I now you will have had bad experiences from the sound of things and that what you say might be true of some travellers, but the ones I know run charities, pay their taxes and are generally good citizens. Now whether they are a minority or not I could say, but I can only speak as I find.

Do you believe that every rape is equally bad and should result in the same sentence? For example would you sentence a stranger rapist who rapes a woman in a dark alley to the same punishment as the boyfriend who continued for 30 seconds to orgasm when his girlfriend changed her mind about intercourse and told him to stop?

My experiences are from working with gypsies and travellers.

My experiences are from working with gypsies and travellers. .....
... so are mine!

The judge in this case, Nicholas Roland, has form on letting the perpetrators of serious sexual crimes against children off without prison time, due to 'mitigating circumstances'.

In 2023 Sophie Carter (previously known as Dominic Carter) was convicted of downloading 11 'indecent' images of children including 2 'category A' images, the highest category. The minimum starting point for that is a 1 year prison sentence. Instead Judge Roland opted for a 6 month suspended sentence. Carter then failed to show up for probation appointments, ended up back in court 4 times, most bizarrely for pretending to have been kidnapped, presumably as an excuse for not attending appointments required by the sentence.

Carter was put back before Judge Roland, who eventually conceded he had 'no choice' but to send Carter to prison. However even then Roland still said 'The last thing I want to do is to have to send you to prison for these offences.' It is hard not to conclude that Judge Roland seems to prioritise keeping people who have committed serious sexual offences against children out of prison, rather than public safety.
https://nitter.net/Michael_J_Hil/status/2057758938477592741#m

Yes, one might wonder why his empathy is only for criminal abusive rapist males.

Maybe he's one of those men who only has empathy for men like him.

He certainly had no empathy at all for the girls.

Thanks for this. There is also a possible case for a couple of sweethearts aged just under 16: They might both be equally keen to get beyond their usual fondling. If the first occasion is while both are still 15, the legal situation is technically different from if one is even one day below 16, and the other is one day over.
So yes, there are degrees of rape.

I fully understand your feelings.

Judge Nicholas Rowland 😡

Spare me the sob story.
Those boys know right from wrong whatever their intellectual capacity.

This is untrue. A 16 and a 15yr having consensual sex is not classed as rape. Technically or otherwise

Wow this thread really exposes a mindset I didn’t really know existed amongst women - those desperately trying to invent stupid ‘what if’ scenarios to try and justify rape. What if….but what if….you’rr being ridiculous. Stop it. Enough men do this without women joining in.

Just wondering if Nicholas Rowland has a wife, daughters, sisters ?
He definitely had a mother.

These boys

Planned the attacks of two girls over several months
Carried out 11 rapes
Filmed the rapes
Shared the films
One carried a knife and used it to threaten the victims.

I think that’s everything!!

If that charge sheet doesn’t deserve a custodial sentence then god help us all.

That Judge needs to have all his cases looked at. I don’t even think there is a mechanism for that though.

Please sign the petition to have Judge Nicholas Rowland investigated
c.org/z6s5rrjbBS

no but i would start from the base point of "guilty of rape" = "at least 6 months behind bars" and add on time from there for other aggravating factors.

Same but I'd go for 5 years minimum.

They were bright enough to plan TWO rapes

Bright enough to film and upload the films

Bright enough to remember to take along a knife to threaten the girls.

SO

Bright enough to do time imo.

if every prisoner was assessed on their IQ using the judge’s criteria prisons would be empty.

@dad11122

“Where I say this type of Rape I mean that some Rapes are “consensual, statutory Rape” - 16 year old boy has sex with 15 year old partner, it is with “consent” and is Rape but MIGHT not be one where a custodial sentence is appropriate.”

There is no such thing as statutory rape in the UK. The scenario you describe, would be prosecuted as sexual activity with a child. Of course if no consent were given it would be prosecuted as rape.

Too late to edit my post but it should have read 10 rapes, not 11.
Some seem to be h see the impression ot was two!

10?

Collectively between the three of them, relating to two girls.