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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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nauticant · 25/05/2026 07:55

Rob Burley was interviewed by the Free Speech Union about this:

It's clear that the BBC failed in its duty to the public. Which is the reason it receives public money. But will it do anything to get itself back on track?

BonfireLady · 25/05/2026 08:51

Thank you for those share tokens OP, and this thread. I had seen the previous thread after Rob Burley's article was published in Unherd but this definitely warrants its own. Mainstream press exposure on this is key, particularly as the helm of the BBC ship is shifting into a new pair of hands.

Tim Davie managed to suppress this exposure by falling on his sword (TBF others would have pushed him onto it) regarding the appalling splicing/disinformation incident with the Trump clip. But it's so important that the public isn't manipulated into thinking that that was all he needed to be ashamed of. Arguably this ideological push of gender identity belief over a number of years (and its contribution towards many children being harmed) is morally worse, by a huge magnitude.

parietal · 25/05/2026 09:20

The problem with the article is that it confounds a whole lots of different issues. On trans issues, the bbc was wrong to ignore women. But on climate change, they are right to ignore the cranks who deny science. And by tying these together, the whole argument comes across as a rant not a thoughtful piece.

WarriorN · 25/05/2026 09:39

parietal · 25/05/2026 09:20

The problem with the article is that it confounds a whole lots of different issues. On trans issues, the bbc was wrong to ignore women. But on climate change, they are right to ignore the cranks who deny science. And by tying these together, the whole argument comes across as a rant not a thoughtful piece.

There clearly needs to be a wider awareness of where science and ideology meet and how the bbc makes sure that balance is achieved while making sure evidence is presented.

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misscockerspaniel · 25/05/2026 10:10

Not sure if this has been shared:

PressReader.com | BBC News boss: I was driven out by trans act­iv­ists

RedToothBrush · 25/05/2026 10:34

parietal · 25/05/2026 09:20

The problem with the article is that it confounds a whole lots of different issues. On trans issues, the bbc was wrong to ignore women. But on climate change, they are right to ignore the cranks who deny science. And by tying these together, the whole argument comes across as a rant not a thoughtful piece.

It also did badly in how it effectively smeared the concerns of people who voted Brexit. A lot of these reasons were immediately shoved into box called racist - rather than look at the deeper issues and underlying causes.

The whole coming over here and taking our jobs thing was wrong but there was a problem about practical training being cut and there being less opportunities which were filled by workers who had done training overseas which wasn't accessible or available in the UK to a cohort who weren't well off. It was easier for employers to take on staff who had this training than to give young untested people a chance, especially if they hadn't got on well in academic environments. The sense was that a whole generation who didn't fit the model of doing well at school were just written off in their teens rather than being given a chance in a situation they would thrive in.

The BBC could have articulated this better than anyone and found good stories to illustrate the point. Unfortunately they didn't really have anyone like this to champion it and highlight it because of their own internal structures and recruitment processes only recruiting individuals who fit the opposite mould. This is where trust in the BBC really has declined more than anywhere else.

The stereotyping and depictions of anyone not middle class on the BBC are at times utterly appalling. The very good exception being the recently axed Freddie Flintoff Field of Dreams following his criticism of the BBC and subsequent decision to do work for ITV...

I do think a lot of the BBC ultimate problem has been class related snobbery and an inability to engage and accurately tackle issues which don't fit with middle class conformity and values system and it's across the board. It's noteable that gender critical ideas in the UK came a lot from working class left wing women on the front line and that's slowly worked it's way up to middle class women. It's been particularly key in areas that middle class women don't tread (or admit to treading) - prisons and rape crisis centres. These are places that are outside polite middle class conversation.

Being Kind is all about middle class control and not wishing to see or engage with difficult subject which reveal the underbelly of horrible things that happen in society or the injustices in our society. It's like a massive attempt to pretend bad things don't happen if we just don't talk about them.

Be Kind is like a massive real life game of Keeping Up Appearances where Mrs Bucket desperately tries to make out that's she's not related to the rest of her family because it's all a bit of an embarrassment, except everyone knows it's bullshit.

SnoopyPajamas · 25/05/2026 14:30

I'm glad he's speaking up - more exposure on this can only be good - but I'm struck by the way he portrays the Kellie Maloney Newsnight debacle, one of the few incidents discussed in which he had direct involvement.

Eventually we found Miranda Yardley, a trans woman who expressed concerns about the risk to single-sex spaces presented by the trans rights agenda. When we announced the final line-up the reaction online was furious. The inclusion of Yardley was, apparently, unacceptable to some activists and my producer was called scum. Then, less than two hours before we went on air, Lees tweeted “I’m not prepared to enter into a fabricated debate about trans people’s right to exist/express themselves” and dropped out. McConnell followed suit while halfway to the studio in a cab, calling the programme a “terf-filled trap”. Yardley arrived at the BBC to be told that the discussion was cancelled. The “no debate” approach to winning hearts and minds had arrived and won the day.

Three trans people were set to debate whether or not it was appropriate for a sixty year old man in womanface to co-opt the experience of misogyny. The only woman on that proposed panel was Freddy, who was ideologically captured and "living as a man". The debate was about how Maloney's comments had offended women, but no women would be present to offer the woman's point of view.

Yes, it's important to talk about the backlash to Yardley - and how even having the dissenting voice be a transgender person wasn't enough to quell the TRA outrage and save the programme - but it's striking that even now, in 2026, "where the hell were the women though?" isn't a bigger part of the story. Having an all-trans panel discuss misogyny is absurd.

Yes, Burley expresses his concern at the struggle to find women who felt safe speaking up. But the final line-up would still have been a ludicrous failure of impartial journalism, even if it had gone ahead. That should have been stressed.

SnoopyPajamas · 25/05/2026 14:34

I wasn't around for this in 2014, but I also question the producer's failure to find a gender critical woman willing to come on the program. I can't help wondering if every woman really was too scared - or if the ones that weren't, weren't palatable enough for the BBC. Would they have put on a woman like Magdalene Burns, I wonder? Someone willing to flat-out say "he's a man" and not play the PC game? My gut says no. I suspect Yardley was chosen because producers would rather let a man speak for women, than have a woman speak for herself and refuse to use pronouns.

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