What does trans+ mean?

[NextRinny]

What is trans+?

I've seen it quite a few times today.
I thought it was all one umbrella? What doesn't fit into the umbrella which now needs to be +?

Is this a stealth transition from lgbtq+ to trans+ lingo?

I think it’s because they keep making up new oppressed identities and they don’t want to be accused of missing anyone out.

Haven’t seen trans+, but I have seen Women+ on my pack of Always pads…

Where do you get that from? Online says it’s about gender identity not sexual orientation, and that’s a big leap to say it includes paedophiles.

Ah so for example.. those whose gender identity is adult baby.. attend baby swim or massage classes with their “care giver“
Furries… attended puppy socialisation classes?
urg!

So has + replaced Q because all the GI codswallop is part of Queer Theory? 🤔

Is the nutter in Oxford with the big foam tits + or Q?

Sizes available from Trans+ to Trans+++.

Stonewall are using trans+ in relation to the EHRC code. Interestingly <raises eyebrow> earlier pieces on their site about the SC ruling only use trans people. I smell incoming overreach.

I knew it! It was too close to the guidance being published to be a coincidence. Wonder if Bridget gave Stonewall a heads up?

(Wonder if Bridget let them write some of it?)

Not really.

Who are these trans adjacent people? It's relevant.

Are we inadvertently talking about paedos and furries?

Fuck knows.

I smell incoming overreach.

Or another Stonewall pivoting grift?

A few years ago the manufacturer removed the Venus symbol from the packets because - well you can guess why. So, in this instance, I think that "Women +" is shorthand for females plus those who menstruate but who do not identify as a woman.

Honestly, we need an explicit definition, otherwise it harms transpeople, because it makes them open to exploitation and Trojan horsing by nefarious groups seeking to legitimise themselves.

Possibly, the recognition that NB’s and lots of other genders don’t come under gender recognition legislation so aren’t protected by it, nor are they legally trans, The only ones that are, are those moving from man gender to woman gender (whatever that is supposed to mean) etc as the law only recognises 2. So yes all the gender queers, agenders, etc who call themselves trans are not.

We know that there was a deliberate attempt to hijack the LGB because it legitimised the t whilst harming the LGB.

The T would be wise to recognise the same pattern being used against them.

We know these tactics were being used by PIE back in the 70s. We know that people who want to bypass safeguarding always look for ways to legitimise and normalise themselves.

There's a massive red flag flying here and the ones at most risk are trans people.

Oh the irony of failure to understand safeguarding, doing a full circle.

Oh, well. You reap what you sow.

Or, is that Unkind?

How does this work when you have the GLP saying there's only two sexes and people can change sex and this is why we reject third spaces?

I'm sorry but some houses need to get in order and you can't simultaneously whine about third spaces being horrendous and then claim you are fully supportive of no binaries.

Trans-age, trans-species, trans-race, etc?
I feel it's not a great idea. But welcome the coming out as distinct from LGB.

I don't give a fuck whether it's unkind. To quote a poster on another thread safety, respect and kindness in that order. Sometimes you need to be big meanies to be kind in the end anyway.

It was bad enough pretending that T had anything at all to do with LGB.
Adding on 'Q', basically people who like spicy sex (what on earth has that got to do with the relationship between the individual and the state? As long as the spiciness doesn't overstep into assault causing GBH) was really stupid; but '+'??? Meaningless and therefore dangerous. Paedophiles would be '+' presumably? I can't think of what other things it would cover that aren't already covered by their very very wide umbrella.

Furries? But then if they're animals, they.definitely don't need spaces for a different sex from their own.

I always assume the + stands for Adult Baby Diaper Fetishists (those old men in baby girl outfits sucking dummies and pooing in their nappies in public at every pride parade), gimps, Furries and the "minor attracted people" who wotsisface from Mermaids was so keen on rehabilitating. All the dodgier aspects of "kink".

I think Stonewall will say that the acronym had just become too long and unmanageable, because they are just sooo inclusive.

What they actually mean by it will be very interesting to watch develop, because the acronym thing will be the easy excuse, while they get on with the real grifting. If I believed myself to be transgender, I would be following very closely.

When LGB people were considered by Stonewall to be passé, they were also deemed expendable.

The T would be wise to recognise the same pattern being used against them.

I agree, I've always said that they'll 'trans' the gay away, and then they'll Queer the T away, because Queer Theory is behind all of the GI claptrap.

I wonder if Stonewall is morphing (or 'transing') into a 'Trans' charity because they're conceding the LBG ground to the LBG Alliance. They're trying to remake themselves into something that's relevant. 🤔

That's exactly why we need a clear definition of 'trans+', who it includes, who it excludes.

Given that it seems to be the new new thing, it's important for groups who use it to define it - 'LGBTQ+' was at least specific about what groups were included even if
[a] it wasn't really about the first three letters at all and
[b] the make-up of the other letters was unclear.

'Trans+' could mean anything. You refer to 'online' but what online source are you referring to - a quick search shows one source as saying that the trans umbrella includes
'non-binary, genderqueer, genderfluid, agender, and others'
'and others' isn't very helpful, is it?

while a second adds:
Bigender, Demiboy/demigirl, Pangender, Androgynous.

And it defines Androgynous as : A person whose gender presentation is a blend of both masculine and feminine characteristics, though their gender identity may not necessarily be non-binary.

Woo-hoo! that's me! Hey Ma, I'm trans+!😁

Just as a whole array of laws and regulations and workplace practices were set up around 'gender', without there ever having been an agreed definition of what it was, we now have this new term 'trans+', which could mean anything, and which needs to be clearly defined.

That's all I'm asking for at this stage: clarity.