Discussion of BBC, Stonewall and language around sex and gender

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Today in Times online is an article by Rob Burley, on investigating BBC and their Stonewall capture. (It has a paywall) The comments from readers also recommend a podcast 'Nolan investigates: Stonewall'. One hopes the madness will end, but the Times and even Mumsnet itself, keeps slipping into using the fantasist/fetishist' cult language: Nobody is 'trans' because humans cannot change their sex after conception. Nobody is 'gender critical', just as nobody can be called 'flat-earth critical'.

P.S. We must kick back at suggestions disability-toilets, and those for baby-changing and (too rarely) adult changing, are suitable 'third spaces'. No they are not: They are provided for people who NEED them. Fantasists and fetishists must keep away. They can and must use the ones provided for their 'sex -at- conception'.

(It is better to avoid the words 'sex at birth', because that is soon tainted with 'sex observed at birth', then the red herring about the one in a million with atypical appearance: DNA is easily checked by a cheek swab, and from conception the y chromosome is, or is not, present.)

I have put a sharetoken for the article into an earlier thread but I suppose it should be shared far and wide so here is another token:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/817e159b-57ba-4b5f-b33b-a1962f05868d?shareToken=fffb34bfb098546f381bd4e8614221a4&ver=article

Biological sex is the term being used in legal documents now so I think we should just go with that.

So sorry to have double-threaded. Apologies, and thank you for the token. Had come back to see if I can delete my thread, but as it has answers, especially this, that is too late.

Thanks for the share token

No problem with double-threading, it hopefully means more people are reading it.

This is the thread about the original article as published by UnHeard.

OP in thread has link to article.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5530420-fascinating-article-about-the-failure-and-complicity-of-the-bbc-regarding-transactivism

Read it in Unherd. Brilliant piece of journalism. But absolutely infuriating.

Tbh, I think in many ways toilets are a red herring.

If we actually were talking about a very small number of people with a medical issue, toilets for people with disabilities would be appropriate.

it's only because we have this explosion of people with gender issues, for a variety of reasons, that it's become a significant problem. However - all of those "other reasons" are things that we really need to address with some urgency.

I suspect that there will be a point at which the number of people who think they need to access third toilet spaces for reasons related to gender will be very few in number. And I hate to think about spending so much time, energy, and space of such spaces when businesses and institutions are struggling so much with costs.

BBC boss under pressure to ‘weed out trans activists’

Campaigners claim corporation has not fully taken on board Supreme Court ruling on biological sex

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/23/bbc-director-general-under-pressure-free-corporation-trans/

Also at https://archive.is/u1gpi