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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mayor enters Pride debate after ambulance service withdraws from event

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mrshoho · 23/05/2026 18:32

Mayor enters Birmingham Pride debate after ambulance withdrawal - BBC News https://share.google/ACz113Oiugv6iVZ1Y

Interesting decision. Will other areas follow?

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mrshoho · 24/05/2026 10:03

Gwenhwyfar · 24/05/2026 09:40

Trade unions are by definition not neutral.

Yes and that was daft of me to say but it's v annoying Unison can outright state they reject the gender critical movement. It's not the same as being racist or homophobic. It's a protected belief. They could not guarantee to support one of its members who had a work place grievance where gender identity was partly involved. I know we have a choice as to whether we join a union but almost all of them share the same views.

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Gwenhwyfar · 24/05/2026 10:09

mrshoho · 24/05/2026 10:03

Yes and that was daft of me to say but it's v annoying Unison can outright state they reject the gender critical movement. It's not the same as being racist or homophobic. It's a protected belief. They could not guarantee to support one of its members who had a work place grievance where gender identity was partly involved. I know we have a choice as to whether we join a union but almost all of them share the same views.

They don't have much choice.

singthing · 24/05/2026 10:11

I bet WMAS lawyers were all over them like a rash, now the law is so clear on this aspect - the statement has lawyer-advised written all over it.

Someone should do an FOI to see the emails about it, just for pure entertainment value.

Coatsoff42 · 24/05/2026 10:19

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2026 23:19

Apart from Pride marches, I meant the NHS staff with rainbow lanyards while on duty, the rainbow [no longer zebra] crossing to get into the hospital, and other things I won’t say because it would be identifying.

Is this still legal?

These things are intrusive and irrelevant. In this setting it goes without saying that staff, patients, and visitors, should be respected and be respectful. Why the separate propaganda for certain people with certain so called “LGBTQIA+” characteristics? What has that got to do with anything?

Just popping on here to say a lot of NHS staff have rainbow lanyards as a hangover from Covid clap for the NHS things. It’s not necessarily pride related. Covid was really bad if you worked through it in the NHS, the fear and stress was real, and a lot of people are not ready to forget that.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/05/2026 10:30

Coatsoff42 · 24/05/2026 10:19

Just popping on here to say a lot of NHS staff have rainbow lanyards as a hangover from Covid clap for the NHS things. It’s not necessarily pride related. Covid was really bad if you worked through it in the NHS, the fear and stress was real, and a lot of people are not ready to forget that.

That may indeed be what the wearers think they are saying (and I completely sympathise with the sentiment) but what the general public interprets the wearing of a rainbow lanyard is the following, from the NHS:

“Have you seen our rainbow badges and lanyards?
Wearing a pride badge or pride progress lanyard is a way for us to show that we're an open, non-judgemental, and inclusive place for people who identify as LGBTQI+.”

www.lnwh.nhs.uk/lgbtqiplus/

MarieDeGournay · 24/05/2026 10:43

Coatsoff42 · 24/05/2026 10:19

Just popping on here to say a lot of NHS staff have rainbow lanyards as a hangover from Covid clap for the NHS things. It’s not necessarily pride related. Covid was really bad if you worked through it in the NHS, the fear and stress was real, and a lot of people are not ready to forget that.

Thank you, that's a really good point - I noticed during Covid that the rainbow was being used in a non-gay way, but we had never copyrighted it, I think Noah had prior claim to it😁
I don't forget the sacrifice that healthcare workers made during Covid, but some of the weird online conspiracy theories about it overlook the real tragedies, and, by extension, the real heroism of healthcare workers.

It's a pity that the rainbow has now been associated again not so much with the lesbian and gay community, which most people are OK about, but with transgenderism, which is a lot more contested.

It's good to know that an individual's rainbow lanyard may represent and commemorate courage and resilience during the pandemic. It's unfortunate that it has come to mean something else.

Coatsoff42 · 24/05/2026 10:55

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/05/2026 10:30

That may indeed be what the wearers think they are saying (and I completely sympathise with the sentiment) but what the general public interprets the wearing of a rainbow lanyard is the following, from the NHS:

“Have you seen our rainbow badges and lanyards?
Wearing a pride badge or pride progress lanyard is a way for us to show that we're an open, non-judgemental, and inclusive place for people who identify as LGBTQI+.”

www.lnwh.nhs.uk/lgbtqiplus/

How other people see it is difficult, but very often it’s either Covid or just a jolly colourway which might have the bonus of feeling inclusive to lgb people. I don’t thank anyone is wearing the MaxPride 17 colours on a lanyard.
A lot of trusts gave out badges saying thank you with a rainbow after covid and I think some people hold very tightly onto those items.

Tabarnak · 24/05/2026 11:10

All of our public services should have a robust Equal Opps / non discrimination policy backed up by professionalism and accountability.

That’s it! Properly implemented that’s all that is needed to demonstrate ‘dignity’, ‘solidarity’ etc with minorities.

Not taking time out of an underfunded overstretched service to parade about in face paint draped in flags.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/05/2026 11:32

Coatsoff42 · 24/05/2026 10:55

How other people see it is difficult, but very often it’s either Covid or just a jolly colourway which might have the bonus of feeling inclusive to lgb people. I don’t thank anyone is wearing the MaxPride 17 colours on a lanyard.
A lot of trusts gave out badges saying thank you with a rainbow after covid and I think some people hold very tightly onto those items.

As I say, I totally sympathise. I personally am very drawn to rainbow coloured clothing, but in the last 5-10 years have actively avoided it. It makes me angry (at myself) that I do this, and that I feel I have to do this so as not to be seen to support something I don’t support. I don’t know what the answer is, I’m afraid.

logiccalls · 25/05/2026 18:27

How 'inclusive' is it to wear any statement of private opinion, in a workplace? But above all, when that workplace involves potentially helpless vulnerable people? Religious tokens are not suitable. Nor, political allegiance badges, or indication of membership of one or other sports club. But even worse, would be indications that staff were keen on an ideology which might make them place a man in a bed next to a woman while she is unable to esacpe him.

Pearlstillsinging · 25/05/2026 18:40

mrshoho · 23/05/2026 19:58

Wishful thinking I know but really why do members not get a say in any of it.

Because local branches/districts have been taken over by activists who want to be seen as, well whatever the opposite of 'transphobic' is, rather than sensible. Most activists are not f/t teachers but are the only ones who have time to attend regular meetings.

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