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Unintended Consequence of the Feminisation of Institutions and Companies

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DrMorbius · 20/05/2026 12:56

Is there an unintended consequence of the feminisation of institutions and companies?
Recently I have been reading/watching more and more about the relatively recently occurred, imbalance of women in companies and institutions (when in positions of power). This increase and the subsequent culture shift it brings, being what is driving the "woke" culture explosion.
Where there is a high proportion of women in high positions (and HR), for example; NHS, academia, parts of the public sector, media, we can see a shift in the culture and the way all of these institutions operate. There has been a definite change towards "wokeness", you only have to see the mess at the NHS or universities.
If this is the case, what is the solution?

OP posts:
DrMorbius · 21/05/2026 19:11

FernandoSor · 21/05/2026 13:07

I can't believe I'm reading this absolute crap straight out of the redpill/incel/MRA playbook on a feminist forum and some posters are actually agreeing with it.

What @DrMorbius actually wants is for women to know their place, which is NOT in the workplace.

Challenge @FernandoSor; quote to me from my post anything that indicates What @DrMorbius;actually wants is for women to know their place, which is NOT in the workplace.
Should be easy to do, given your assertion about me.

FYI I have 2 early 30's DD's forging their careers and a retired Director level DW, who worked in the NHS for 25 years. I still have and previously had skin the game for women to achieve equality of opportunity.

However before retiring early, I worked the last 5 years for a company that seemed to forget it's purpose, and morphed into a company that thought its purpose was to be a DEI champion (including mandatory pronoun crap). Largely driven by new female leadership. Now this could have been an outlier, except I also had 5 years of my DW bemoaning the state of the NHS (who also decided to retire early). Then I start to read various articles on this subject. Hence why I asked in my Op If this is the case, what is the solution?.

OP posts:
highame · 21/05/2026 19:14

@FernandoSoryou make a lot of sweeping assumptions. If I want to understand something I try and look wider and am interested in what people put forward. It makes for understanding. Taking a sledge hammer to comments doesn't move the argument forward. Did you put me down as a MRA? An odd assumtion

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 19:18

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 12:55

Did OP actually say that, or are you inferring a subtextual meaning that may not actually be present?

Yes, the OP did actually say that, it is very clear.

FernandoSor · 21/05/2026 19:27

DrMorbius · 21/05/2026 19:11

Challenge @FernandoSor; quote to me from my post anything that indicates What @DrMorbius;actually wants is for women to know their place, which is NOT in the workplace.
Should be easy to do, given your assertion about me.

FYI I have 2 early 30's DD's forging their careers and a retired Director level DW, who worked in the NHS for 25 years. I still have and previously had skin the game for women to achieve equality of opportunity.

However before retiring early, I worked the last 5 years for a company that seemed to forget it's purpose, and morphed into a company that thought its purpose was to be a DEI champion (including mandatory pronoun crap). Largely driven by new female leadership. Now this could have been an outlier, except I also had 5 years of my DW bemoaning the state of the NHS (who also decided to retire early). Then I start to read various articles on this subject. Hence why I asked in my Op If this is the case, what is the solution?.

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Nope, not interested. You're an MRA, trying to co-opt GC feminists into your absolute bog-standard MRA talking points. You've been red-pilled, own it.

ApplebyArrows · 21/05/2026 19:38

MyAmpleSheep · 20/05/2026 15:58

Here is another quote from that article. It's US-based, obviously, but I wonder if anyone sees parallels in the treatment of GC women in the UK?

"The field that frightens me most is the law. All of us depend on a functioning legal system, and, to be blunt, the rule of law will not survive the legal profession becoming majority female. The rule of law is not just about writing rules down. It means following them even when they yield an outcome that tugs at your heartstrings or runs contrary to your gut sense of which party is more sympathetic.
A feminized legal system might resemble the Title IX courts for sexual assault on college campuses established in 2011 under President Obama. These proceedings were governed by written rules and so technically could be said to operate under the rule of law. But they lacked many of the safeguards that our legal system holds sacred, such as the right to confront your accuser, the right to know what crime you are accused of, and the fundamental concept that guilt should depend on objective circumstances knowable by both parties, not in how one party feels about an act in retrospect. These protections were abolished because the people who made these rules sympathized with the accusers, who were mostly women, and not with the accused, who were mostly men.
These two approaches to the law clashed vividly in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. The masculine position was that, if Christine Blasey Ford can’t provide any concrete evidence that she and Kavanaugh were ever in the same room together, her accusations of rape cannot be allowed to ruin his life. The feminine position was that her self-evident emotional response was itself a kind of credibility that the Senate committee must respect.
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How about (see another poster on this) universities do not need a criminal standard of proof to sanction rapist students?

And how about not conflating a man not getting a promotion with "ruining his life"?

One might, possibly, have more respect for arguments about the so-called feminisation of society if they didn't come across as tantrums from people who apparently dislike the idea of men suffering any consequences for their behaviour whatsoever.

Conservative morality teaches that rape is one of the worst things a man can do. These pathetic little boys can't even get that right.

AntiRacistFella · 21/05/2026 19:48

Hah! This thread is somehow managing to be quite sexist and prejudiced about women and men at the same time!

To state the obvious - a person has a sex, but they are not defined by their sex. (Repeat for gender identity according to taste).

So given approx 4 billion males and 4 billion females in the world, there is going to be so much individual variation in personalities and attitude amongst people, that any lazy reductive characterization by sex is going to be essentially nonsensical.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 20:03

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 21/05/2026 16:38

What a strange, blinkered perspective the author has. Laser-focused on confirming a narrow thesis and ignoring the bigger picture.

"In 2019, I read an article about Larry Summers and Harvard that changed the way I look at the world. The author, writing under the pseudonym “J. Stone,” argued that the day Larry Summers resigned as president of Harvard University marked a turning point in our culture."

"The essay argued that it wasn’t just that women had cancelled the president of Harvard; it was that they’d cancelled him in a very feminine way. They made emotional appeals rather than logical arguments. “When he started talking about innate differences in aptitude between men and women, I just couldn’t breathe because this kind of bias makes me physically ill,” said Nancy Hopkins, a biologist at MIT."

Nancy Hopkins's response is risible "snowflake" behaviour of the type we see all the time from Trans Activists and their ilk, eg. Extinction Rebellion. "Triggered" in this instance by the mere utterance of a notion that there might be differences between the sexes.

This is not specifically female behaviour but a stereotypical "drama lama" response evidenced by both men and women. Of a certain class. What Trevor Phillips refers to as "the exam-passing classes", ie. university educated. We are not talking blue collar trade qualifications here.

"This cancellation was feminine, the essay argued, because all cancellations are feminine. Cancel culture is simply what women do whenever there are enough of them in a given organization or field. That is the Great Feminization thesis, which the same author later elaborated upon at book length: Everything you think of as “wokeness” is simply an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization.

The explanatory power of this simple thesis was incredible. It really did unlock the secrets of the era we are living in. Wokeness is not a new ideology, an outgrowth of Marxism, or a result of post-Obama disillusionment. It is simply feminine patterns of behavior applied to institutions where women were few in number until recently. How did I not see it before?"

Equally risible. "Wokeness" is more than "cancel culture".

Her thesis:
a) cancel culture = female thing, therefore "wokeness" = female thing
b) more women in "institutions" -> woke institutions

Which blithely ignores the fact that predominantly female professions managed to survive for decades untainted by "wokery" - until wokery wriggled its way into every professional institution under the sun.

As for "cancel culture" being a "female thing", the historical ousting of midwifery by male-dominated medicine is surely an extreme example of "cancel culture"?

"Psychology, once a predominantly male field, is now overwhelmingly female, with 75 percent of psychology doctorates going to women."

What man wants to work in a field where his traits are not welcome? What self-respecting male graduate student would pursue a career in academia when his peers will ostracize him for stating his disagreements too bluntly or espousing a controversial opinion?"

The "gender imbalance" is even more extreme in the UK:

Tackling gender imbalance in psychology
July 2020 - BPS
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/tackling-gender-imbalance-psychology

"Eighty per cent of psychology undergraduate students are female and at Russell Group institutions, the proportion is even higher, standing at around 85 per cent. The result is that psychology professions are pervasively female-dominated: 80 per cent of Clinical Psychologists and Educational Psychologists are women."

But . . .

"The gender imbalance also fails to offer women any career-long benefits, with 'a leaky pipeline' effect meaning that only 63 per cent of university psychology lecturers and 33 per cent of psychology professors are female."

Which means that there is still an incentive for ambitious men to qualify as Psychologists.

All Health Professions are now majority female, though still with the most senior positions being occupied by men: the "Glass Escalator" effect with more rapid progression to senior levels for men.

Interesting idea here, that imposition of standards might have driven out men from Health Professions, leaving the door open for women to flood in to replace them, ie. rather than men leaving as a result of more women entering what were once predominantly male professions that also had less regulatory accountability:

American Psychological Association, Committee on Women in Psychology. (2017). The changing gender composition of psychology: Update and expansion of the 1995 task force report.
https://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/gender-composition/task-force-report.pdf

"an argument might be advanced that a change in the nature of a field and the imposition of more regulatory standards on any profession may precede the departure of men from that field. That is, it is the changing nature of the profession and the departure of men that enable the entrance of women and not the reverse (Adams, 2008). For example, in the health service provider area, group and interprofessional practice settings are increasingly shaped by third-party reimbursement standards that subordinate psychological expertise to medical expertise and corporate interests. Even in solo practice settings, case conceptualization and the number of visits must adhere to third-party standards. At the same time, tenure track professorial positions in college and university settings appear to be declining in favor of nontenure track positions and part-time employment."

Contemporary Wokery / Political correctness is also "regulatory", as well as being decidedly authoritarian.

"Cancel culture" is exemplified by reporting to employers for breaches of policy and to regulatory bodies for breaches of standards just as much as by "deplatforming", bullying of venues (external or by staff mutiny) and informal methods such as "shunning", etc.

It is also much bigger than "trans activism", which is just one facet. "Counter Wokecraft" barely mentions gender identity ideology. The examples of "wokery" (Critical Social Justice) are focused on US Academia - and anti-racism.

Counter Wokecraft:
A Field Manual for Combatting the Woke in the University and Beyond
Charles Pincourt and James Lindsay, 2021
https://amzn.eu/d/cHiGopY

"Counter Wokecraft: Why I Wrote It and Why You Should Read It"
Charles Pincourt, 2021
https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2021/11/26/counter-wokecraft-why-i-wrote-it-and-why-you-should-read-it/

I don't think women invented Political Correctness or "Wokery", which contemporary Cancel Culture is part of. Or that women were responsible for regulation of the Health Industry and Professions.

Or maybe I am wrong and women rule the world but somehow I never noticed!! 😂

What Trevor Phillips refers to as "the exam-passing classes", ie. university educated.

The Venn diagram between the exam-passing classes and the privileged class I described is a single circle.

Which blithely ignores the fact that predominantly female professions managed to survive for decades untainted by "wokery" - until wokery wriggled its way into every professional institution under the sun.

Yup.

As for "cancel culture" being a "female thing", the historical ousting of midwifery by male-dominated medicine is surely an extreme example of "cancel culture"?

See also: computing. A computer was someone with mathematical aptitude, often a woman with a maths degree, who sat for eight hours per day turning a set of numeric inputs into a set of numeric outputs according to appropriate formulae. Examples of use cases were turning the recorded outputs from test firings of ordinance into a set of range tables for use by the gunners who would fire said ordinance. By the end of WW2, the US was building field guns faster than the computers could calculate the tables, which were unique to each individual gun.

So the ENIAC was built, and its six programmers, the first six electronic computer programmers ever, were all women.

Women have been forced out of IT. It is well-documented.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 20:05

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 19:18

Yes, the OP did actually say that, it is very clear.

Quote it, if it's so clear, because I can't see it in any of his posts.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 20:49

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 20:05

Quote it, if it's so clear, because I can't see it in any of his posts.

"Recently I have been reading/watching more and more about the relatively recently occurred, imbalance of women in companies and institutions (when in positions of power). This increase and the subsequent culture shift it brings, being what is driving the "woke" culture explosion."
"There has been a definite change towards "wokeness", you only have to see the mess at the NHS or universities."
"If this is the case, what is the solution?"

Women ("when in positions of power') are driving the woke culture explosion. This is causing a mess at eg NHS and universities, and in general. What is the solution? (ie. This is a problem that needs solved.)

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 21:19

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 20:49

"Recently I have been reading/watching more and more about the relatively recently occurred, imbalance of women in companies and institutions (when in positions of power). This increase and the subsequent culture shift it brings, being what is driving the "woke" culture explosion."
"There has been a definite change towards "wokeness", you only have to see the mess at the NHS or universities."
"If this is the case, what is the solution?"

Women ("when in positions of power') are driving the woke culture explosion. This is causing a mess at eg NHS and universities, and in general. What is the solution? (ie. This is a problem that needs solved.)

"If this is the case, what is the solution?"

You disregarded the "If this is case" clause which may change the meaning of the whole post or may be a figleaf for a bad-faith poster. I've not had enough experience of the OP to know which is the case. OP does have a posting history on other boards, so not likely IMO to be a seagull poster.

It's not unheard of for a hypothesis to be couched in

  • [describes putative situation as if proven already]
  • Ask if the described situation is true.

I was taught at school to phrase my hypotheses as if they were already the case, often clearly labelled as "null hypothesis" and "alternative hypothesis".

Null hypothesis: giving CatOfHate 💸 catfood will have no effect on the tartar buildup on his teeth.
Alternative hypothesis 1: giving CatOfHate 💸catfood will reduce the tartar buildup on his teeth.
Alternative hypothesis 2: giving CatOfHate 💸catfood will increase the tartar buildup on his teeth..

All stated using words that convey "already true", not words like "might" and "may".

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 21:56

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 21:19

"If this is the case, what is the solution?"

You disregarded the "If this is case" clause which may change the meaning of the whole post or may be a figleaf for a bad-faith poster. I've not had enough experience of the OP to know which is the case. OP does have a posting history on other boards, so not likely IMO to be a seagull poster.

It's not unheard of for a hypothesis to be couched in

  • [describes putative situation as if proven already]
  • Ask if the described situation is true.

I was taught at school to phrase my hypotheses as if they were already the case, often clearly labelled as "null hypothesis" and "alternative hypothesis".

Null hypothesis: giving CatOfHate 💸 catfood will have no effect on the tartar buildup on his teeth.
Alternative hypothesis 1: giving CatOfHate 💸catfood will reduce the tartar buildup on his teeth.
Alternative hypothesis 2: giving CatOfHate 💸catfood will increase the tartar buildup on his teeth..

All stated using words that convey "already true", not words like "might" and "may".

Edited

Whilst I'm thrilled for your rudimentary High School science class experiences "If this is the case" was used by the poster as a synonym for "This being the case".

Had they not intended that they would have asked an open ended question and invited perspectives on that. They did not. They asked for a solution to their hypothesis.

Which, as we all now know, is the well-rehearsed Mens Rights Activists refrain about the problems of women being in positions of power.

MyAmpleSheep · 21/05/2026 21:59

ApplebyArrows · 21/05/2026 19:38

How about (see another poster on this) universities do not need a criminal standard of proof to sanction rapist students?

And how about not conflating a man not getting a promotion with "ruining his life"?

One might, possibly, have more respect for arguments about the so-called feminisation of society if they didn't come across as tantrums from people who apparently dislike the idea of men suffering any consequences for their behaviour whatsoever.

Conservative morality teaches that rape is one of the worst things a man can do. These pathetic little boys can't even get that right.

I may have misunderstood the article but I think the wider point was not about the particular standard of proof and more about whether there was a standard at all.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:24

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 21:56

Whilst I'm thrilled for your rudimentary High School science class experiences "If this is the case" was used by the poster as a synonym for "This being the case".

Had they not intended that they would have asked an open ended question and invited perspectives on that. They did not. They asked for a solution to their hypothesis.

Which, as we all now know, is the well-rehearsed Mens Rights Activists refrain about the problems of women being in positions of power.

rudimentary High School science class experiences

It's how we still do research at the uni I work at.

"If this is the case" was used by the poster as a synonym for "This being the case".

Please teach me your mind-reading skills. It would make my life a lot easier if I could see into people's head's and so determine when they are lying.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:25

MyAmpleSheep · 21/05/2026 21:59

I may have misunderstood the article but I think the wider point was not about the particular standard of proof and more about whether there was a standard at all.

Of course there is a standard of proof. Campus sexual violence complaints are frequently dismissed.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 22:38

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:24

rudimentary High School science class experiences

It's how we still do research at the uni I work at.

"If this is the case" was used by the poster as a synonym for "This being the case".

Please teach me your mind-reading skills. It would make my life a lot easier if I could see into people's head's and so determine when they are lying.

Maybe you should teach the OP how you do your research, because they don't seem to be in on the action.

You are obfuscating, and I believe you know it. If you don't know it, you have no business researching at a university (if indeed you do)

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:43

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 22:38

Maybe you should teach the OP how you do your research, because they don't seem to be in on the action.

You are obfuscating, and I believe you know it. If you don't know it, you have no business researching at a university (if indeed you do)

That's a lot of words to avoid saying that you did, in fact, infer a subtextual meaning that may not actually be present. Specifically, you misread a question as a statement.

Where possible, our research has a control group and a treatment group. The null hypothesis is that we will see no difference between the groups...

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 22:50

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:43

That's a lot of words to avoid saying that you did, in fact, infer a subtextual meaning that may not actually be present. Specifically, you misread a question as a statement.

Where possible, our research has a control group and a treatment group. The null hypothesis is that we will see no difference between the groups...

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😂 you crack me up.

"If this is this is the case, what is the solution?" Has, as a matter of fundamental syntax, instructed answers in one direction only. It is not an open ended question. It has presupposed the problem, and directed answers to address that problem.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:16

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 22:50

😂 you crack me up.

"If this is this is the case, what is the solution?" Has, as a matter of fundamental syntax, instructed answers in one direction only. It is not an open ended question. It has presupposed the problem, and directed answers to address that problem.

“If this is the case" acknowledges that the author of the hypothesis may, in fact, be wrong.

The word "if" has a meaning. You talk about syntax. If I inserted IF into my scripts when I intended a statement, none of my models would run.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:24

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:16

“If this is the case" acknowledges that the author of the hypothesis may, in fact, be wrong.

The word "if" has a meaning. You talk about syntax. If I inserted IF into my scripts when I intended a statement, none of my models would run.

Edited

Yeah, you know, I don't think the OP is a line of code in your programming language choice. 🥱

But hey, the rest of us are running on common sense, even if you aren't.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:29

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:24

Yeah, you know, I don't think the OP is a line of code in your programming language choice. 🥱

But hey, the rest of us are running on common sense, even if you aren't.

I'm reading words as having their dictionary meaning. It's you that's in Humpty Dumpty land.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:30

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:29

I'm reading words as having their dictionary meaning. It's you that's in Humpty Dumpty land.

Shucks, you need to stop, you're just making yourself look worse 😂

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:31

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:30

Shucks, you need to stop, you're just making yourself look worse 😂

Now you are being rude. Is this typical of people who make up meanings of words?

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:46

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:31

Now you are being rude. Is this typical of people who make up meanings of words?

😁 I have nothing more to say than to thank you for allowing readers to gain the measure of you tonight 😄 (or whatever time it may be in your region.)

MyAmpleSheep · 21/05/2026 23:49

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 22:25

Of course there is a standard of proof. Campus sexual violence complaints are frequently dismissed.

Right. I'm just trying to interpret the article correctly. Not agreeing with it, and not making its argument for it.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 23:54

suggestionsplease1 · 21/05/2026 23:46

😁 I have nothing more to say than to thank you for allowing readers to gain the measure of you tonight 😄 (or whatever time it may be in your region.)

"Gain the measure of me"? What does that even mean? Unless someone turns up with a tape, no one's gaining any measures of me.

I'm autistic, so use clear words with their actual meaning, not weird humpty dumpty code. I appreciate that this may be hard for you because you think that women can have penises, indicating that sticking to what words actually mean isn't natural for you.