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Lady Hale 2018 Speech on Millicent Fawcett's lawful campaign for full suffrage - parallels with today

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KnottyAuty · 19/05/2026 22:45

Looking through some papers I came across this speech by Lady Hale from 2018 which refers to the astonishing threats and violence which were directed at women campaigning for their right to vote and to access an education. It's a great lecture and follows on from another thread which was discussing the similarities of past and present struggles for women's rights

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/speech_181213_43022fec3c.pdf

Unfortunately she subsequently hasn't been able to perceive the parallels with history and the present struggles around gender ideology and women's rights. But it is still worth a read.

A few notable quotes:

We tend to think that the brave members of the women’s suffrage movement were the suffragettes of the Women’s Social and Political Union, who were eventually prepared to break the law and suffer the appalling consequences of doing so for the sake of the cause. But the lawabiding suffragists of the National Association of Women’s Suffrage Societies were the targets of quite astonishing hostility and violence from their opponents.

" ‘Between two and three hundred undergraduates rushed up to Newnham dragging an effigy of a woman on a bicycle’ . . . ‘They began to hurl themselves against our precious gates . . . some of the men began to climb in at the windows but the gardeners threw them out’ . . . ‘then they tore the effigy to pieces in front of the gates and threw the pieces through’. . . . ‘The gardeners were so indignant about it – they said that they had never seen men mob women before, and a craftsman was heard to say “Well, I thought the toffs was fonder of the females than that”.

"It takes courage to stand up to such bullies. Even in an advanced liberal democracy such as ours, there are still battles to be fought, and we must still have the moral courage to fight them – for Millicent’s sake. But just as she pronounced that ‘courage calls to courage everywhere’, we must not forget that there are many other women in the world who are far worse placed than we are and we must reach out to and support them too"

Although I can't wrap my head around how Hale can write up this history essay on women's rights and be so wilfully blind about women's present day struggles with genderism.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/speech_181213_43022fec3c.pdf

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maltravers · 20/05/2026 14:06

Her daughter is a very outspoken proponent of “trans rights” I believe, although a lesbian herself. I suspect this may have influenced Lady H and informed her views.

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:17

maltravers · 20/05/2026 14:06

Her daughter is a very outspoken proponent of “trans rights” I believe, although a lesbian herself. I suspect this may have influenced Lady H and informed her views.

Maybe - but the essay also gave me “im not like the other girl” vibes which she may later regret if she wants single sex care in later life…

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RhannionKPSS · 20/05/2026 14:24

Rather unfortunate that Hale’s daughter is a rather vocal Trans ally, just like the daughter of Jackie Baillie , deputy leader of Labour in Scotland

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:44

RhannionKPSS · 20/05/2026 14:24

Rather unfortunate that Hale’s daughter is a rather vocal Trans ally, just like the daughter of Jackie Baillie , deputy leader of Labour in Scotland

Yes that must skew things when your otherwise sensible and intelligent child says that TWAW. And if you only follow the BBC and Guardian Youll be completely unaware of the growing body of evidence. And her entire career will have been around men, some who tried strenuously to have her excluded so she’ll feel great empathy for other in that situation. It’s just that th career men she’s spent time with are a self selected bunch of people who’ll largely behave well… Not like HNS staff have to deal with including the forensic and mental health patients. She can’t have really thought it through…. Or if she has thought it through then how did she get a seat on the SC - was she a “diversity hire” in the end who wasnt up to it? How embarrassing. When Hale was interviewed had she read the judgment and clocked that anyone with a new name on a utility bill can get a GRC? That she might up having her incontinence pads being changed by bearded 6ft3 “Babs” indistinguishable from a man but with “the feelz”? The BBC has a lot to answer for with their shoddy reporting so people don’t know whats going on

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Igmum · 20/05/2026 14:49

Thanks Knotty. I think the TRAs did such a good job with TRSOH mantra, supported as you say by the BBC and Guardian whose capacity for misrepresenting this issue seems to be limitless. Makes me wonder as an ex-reader what else they misrepresented.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 21/05/2026 00:52

Igmum · 20/05/2026 14:49

Thanks Knotty. I think the TRAs did such a good job with TRSOH mantra, supported as you say by the BBC and Guardian whose capacity for misrepresenting this issue seems to be limitless. Makes me wonder as an ex-reader what else they misrepresented.

TRSOH ?

moto748e · 21/05/2026 01:46

The Right Side Of History.

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