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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
KnottyAuty · 16/05/2026 15:31

MementoMountain · 16/05/2026 13:45

“They were talking about who they were friends with at primary school and my daughter’s friend said: ‘Oh I was friends with’ — and then she said a female pupil’s name — ‘but I was friends with her when she was a boy’.”

It's just possible, in the absence of further information, that this is a girl who briefly called herself a boy at primary school.

In the absence of other information that might be so. Although why anyone would bother suing the school about a girl with a trans identity is baffling.

however in the article it is clear
Joanne Donoghue sent her three daughters to Beverley High School, which she had attended as a child, but learnt a biological boy had been admitted ‘secretly’

Theres a boys grammar and a girls grammar. I imagine they are highly competitive and places fought for - years of preparation.

If all the boys have to do is ID as girls to get places there, then thats horrible discrimination. History tells us that men fought hard to keep women out of education at all levels. A colleague of mine said to my face that we shouldn’t bother educating girls as they just go off and get pregnant. He got short shrift! And maybe he has had a rethink as I now employ him so not as useless as he perhaps assumed 🤣

MementoMountain · 16/05/2026 17:58

Oh, I'm similarly assuming that the parent had sound reasons for thinking this child was a boy, but the quoted part from her daughter's friend could have meant either -- and the school presumably wouldn't confirm either way.

ConstanzeMozart · 16/05/2026 18:07

MementoMountain · 16/05/2026 13:45

“They were talking about who they were friends with at primary school and my daughter’s friend said: ‘Oh I was friends with’ — and then she said a female pupil’s name — ‘but I was friends with her when she was a boy’.”

It's just possible, in the absence of further information, that this is a girl who briefly called herself a boy at primary school.

Yes, I was thinking this. Unless the claimant has other information that this article doesn’t mention, it’s not at all certain that there actually is a boy at the school.

Igmum · 16/05/2026 18:07

And since it is by stealth I’m assuming this boy shares toilets and changing rooms with the girls and will bunk with them on school trips? So the school is basically facilitating strip shows for him. I hope they get prosecuted for breaches to safeguarding.

MarieDeGournay · 16/05/2026 19:14

ConstanzeMozart · 16/05/2026 18:07

Yes, I was thinking this. Unless the claimant has other information that this article doesn’t mention, it’s not at all certain that there actually is a boy at the school.

In that case, it would be helpful for the school to confirm that they use the same definition of 'female' as the UK Supreme Court and that by 'girl' they mean a young biological female, and therefore are actually an all-girls school.

Why have they refuse to do this? I don't see what GDPR has to do with it, it would just be a confirmation of their admissions policy.

KnottyAuty · 16/05/2026 19:49

MarieDeGournay · 16/05/2026 19:14

In that case, it would be helpful for the school to confirm that they use the same definition of 'female' as the UK Supreme Court and that by 'girl' they mean a young biological female, and therefore are actually an all-girls school.

Why have they refuse to do this? I don't see what GDPR has to do with it, it would just be a confirmation of their admissions policy.

Because they’ve admitted a male into a girl’s school! If this was nonsense then they’d have said so. It’s GDPR or privacy because it’s true

MyAmpleSheep · 16/05/2026 20:18

theilltemperedamateur · 15/05/2026 22:36

Schedule 12

1(1)Section 91(1), so far as relating to sex, does not apply in relation to a single-sex institution.
(2)A single-sex institution is an institution to which section 91 applies, which—
(a)admits students of one sex only, or
(b)on the basis of the assumption in sub-paragraph (3), would be taken to admit students of one sex only.
(3)That assumption is that students of the opposite sex are to be disregarded if—
(a)their admission to the institution is exceptional, or
(b)their numbers are comparatively small and their admission is confined to particular courses or classes.
(4)In the case of an institution which is a single-sex institution by virtue of sub-paragraph (3)(b), section 91(2)(a) to (d), so far as relating to sex, does not prohibit confining students of the same sex to particular courses or classes.

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The rules on single-sex schools are deliberately flexible, to allow, for example, for the fact that in sparsely populated areas, it might otherwise be difficult for both sexes to get local access to a full range of subject matter teaching. 3(a) allows for 'exceptional' opposite-sex admissions with no further explanation. The school might try to rely on this.

As far as "exceptional" goes:

There is case law that makes abundantly clear that in case of the "exceptional" admission of a boy (to a girl's school) - there has to be a well founded articulable reason for that boy being an exception, a reason other than their boy-ness, a reason that applies to that particular boy exceptionally. That he identifies a girl would entirely fail that test.

KnottyAuty · 16/05/2026 20:50

MyAmpleSheep · 16/05/2026 20:18

As far as "exceptional" goes:

There is case law that makes abundantly clear that in case of the "exceptional" admission of a boy (to a girl's school) - there has to be a well founded articulable reason for that boy being an exception, a reason other than their boy-ness, a reason that applies to that particular boy exceptionally. That he identifies a girl would entirely fail that test.

Not least that theres a boy’s grammar he could have gone to. Or a co-ed school somewhere else. I hope this mum takes these people to the cleaners. They aren’t safe to supervise other people’s children. The dishonesty is breathtaking

theilltemperedamateur · 16/05/2026 21:12

MyAmpleSheep · 16/05/2026 20:18

As far as "exceptional" goes:

There is case law that makes abundantly clear that in case of the "exceptional" admission of a boy (to a girl's school) - there has to be a well founded articulable reason for that boy being an exception, a reason other than their boy-ness, a reason that applies to that particular boy exceptionally. That he identifies a girl would entirely fail that test.

Newnham College are expressly relying on para 3(a) for their undergraduate admissions. Someone had better sue them.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 16/05/2026 21:23

One boy to destroy the single sex opportunity for every single girl in that school.

For what? Why can't he be at a mixed sex school where his gender choices make no odds?

Why does meeting his desires and illusion outweigh the interest of every single female child and parent's choice in using that school? Why are these boys individually worth so very much more than any number of girls? And any price paid by those girls for his shallow experience, one he did not need in any way. 'It's just for girls, so me take it'. That really is the level of this.

MyAmpleSheep · 17/05/2026 00:20

MyAmpleSheep · 16/05/2026 20:18

As far as "exceptional" goes:

There is case law that makes abundantly clear that in case of the "exceptional" admission of a boy (to a girl's school) - there has to be a well founded articulable reason for that boy being an exception, a reason other than their boy-ness, a reason that applies to that particular boy exceptionally. That he identifies a girl would entirely fail that test.

I have been trying to find references to this; I might have halucinated the case law, but I did find this article from 2022. I'm sure there's something else about though.

https://www.withersworldwide.com/en-gb/insight/read/single-sex-schools-and-transgender-applicants-in-the-uk

Single sex schools and transgender applicants in the UK | Withers

https://www.withersworldwide.com/en-gb/insight/read/single-sex-schools-and-transgender-applicants-in-the-uk

ExtraordinaryMachine1 · 17/05/2026 12:58

Gosh, that Withers piece is interesting. All those questions and no answers.

Whatever are the parents of this boy thinking? Unless the mum genuinely thinks she's the Virgin Mary, then she must have some idea about how babies are made. Surely mum and dad realise, however "kind" everyone is, that puberty will show itself at some point? And, never mind the girls around, that's not going to be at all nice for their little boy? How do they sleep at night, how do they justify this on their son?

I don't understand how parents can do this to their children. The only parent I know in this situation appears to be completely delusional, but even she subtly dropped her son out of Scouts to avoid questions about camping etc. So she knows really. But these parents are next level.

Pingponghavoc · 17/05/2026 13:26

If at least one other child went to primary school with the student in question, theres a good chance lots of parents know the truth. So its unlikely that its a girl who identified as a boy in primary. The truth would be known locally, and this parents concerns corrected.

Also, it would be strange to have a trans identifying daughter in primary school and switch to putting them in an all girls school for secondary. Unless its something they were only doing in year 1.

The school could easily say there are no male students without invading anyone's privacy in the same way they could confirm everyone is under 19.

Namechange999999999 · 18/05/2026 16:25

Pingponghavoc · 17/05/2026 13:26

If at least one other child went to primary school with the student in question, theres a good chance lots of parents know the truth. So its unlikely that its a girl who identified as a boy in primary. The truth would be known locally, and this parents concerns corrected.

Also, it would be strange to have a trans identifying daughter in primary school and switch to putting them in an all girls school for secondary. Unless its something they were only doing in year 1.

The school could easily say there are no male students without invading anyone's privacy in the same way they could confirm everyone is under 19.

Name changed for obvious reasons.

My daughter goes to this school, I believed it to be single sex until recieving a letter today blaming the council for their admissions policy.

There are a large number of primarys in Beverley and Beverley High has 5 form groups per year so not like a small school where everyone knows everyone. It is very desirable so not all the girls who apply get in and so this boy has taken a place from a girl.

There is also a boys school, Beverley Grammar and mixed sex, Longcroft so plenty of other options. 6th form is joint with the boys school so there are boys on site, but mainly separate from the lower classes.

Off to ask DD if she knew...

Namechange999999999 · 18/05/2026 16:33

Just asked DD, year 10. She's aware that the school is "getting sued" and says the boy was in year 11 and has "left now".

She isn't aware of any other boys at school. Only of girls that identify as boys / non binary (only in an experimental this is how I feel today way, no actual transitions and I was aware of this).

Off to ask school about changing arrangements.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 18/05/2026 17:12

Namechange999999999 · 18/05/2026 16:25

Name changed for obvious reasons.

My daughter goes to this school, I believed it to be single sex until recieving a letter today blaming the council for their admissions policy.

There are a large number of primarys in Beverley and Beverley High has 5 form groups per year so not like a small school where everyone knows everyone. It is very desirable so not all the girls who apply get in and so this boy has taken a place from a girl.

There is also a boys school, Beverley Grammar and mixed sex, Longcroft so plenty of other options. 6th form is joint with the boys school so there are boys on site, but mainly separate from the lower classes.

Off to ask DD if she knew...

This boy has taken a place from a girl.

😡

KnottyAuty · 18/05/2026 17:21

Namechange999999999 · 18/05/2026 16:25

Name changed for obvious reasons.

My daughter goes to this school, I believed it to be single sex until recieving a letter today blaming the council for their admissions policy.

There are a large number of primarys in Beverley and Beverley High has 5 form groups per year so not like a small school where everyone knows everyone. It is very desirable so not all the girls who apply get in and so this boy has taken a place from a girl.

There is also a boys school, Beverley Grammar and mixed sex, Longcroft so plenty of other options. 6th form is joint with the boys school so there are boys on site, but mainly separate from the lower classes.

Off to ask DD if she knew...

Oh wow - the school has written to the parents blaming the LA but in doing so admit they have complicit for ? Months or years? Just wow

Namechange999999999 · 18/05/2026 20:19

KnottyAuty · 18/05/2026 17:21

Oh wow - the school has written to the parents blaming the LA but in doing so admit they have complicit for ? Months or years? Just wow

To be fair, in all other ways it's an excellent school. Both academically, in terms of support for pupils and extracurricular activities. The letter was pretty vague in many ways and follows the school's usual pattern of letting parents know of any issues or incidents before we find out from our children, but not sharing specifics of any child.

I can see how in the awful climate of the last few years the LA could have admitted this boy with a girls name and not even told the school, then told them it's the law, you have to keep them after the school figured it out. I hope that separate changing and bathroom facilities were provided or that they used the ones for the sixth form boys.

I am very disappointed with the school not communicating that they were mixed sex and giving parents and children the opportunity for informed consent, safeguarding, privacy and dignity conversations. I hope they will now provide clarity quickly as I am sure they will be inundated by questions from parents.

DD is not aware of any other trans girls, but then she only became aware of this trans girl after the headlines hit. Apparently they were 2 years above her and so naturally left the school last year.

Interestingly, DH who annoyingly talks about compromise and being kind whenever we talk about women's rights to single sex spaces was shocked and unimpressed so maybe he's starting to get it, now it is becoming real and relating to DD.

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2026 22:44

theilltemperedamateur · 15/05/2026 22:39

I think one of the Oxford colleges was using it to allow men who identify as women into their college.

It was Newnham.

Except if you limit that single sex exemption to people with a trans identity it’s discrimination.

They will say the trans status is 'exceptional' for the purposes of para 3(b)

This doesn't mean it will survive contact with a legal challenge. It could find this unlawful.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/05/2026 22:50

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Wockery? 🤔

Welease Wodger?

theilltemperedamateur · 18/05/2026 22:51

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2026 22:44

This doesn't mean it will survive contact with a legal challenge. It could find this unlawful.

Somebody has to sue, though. It's getting so tedious. Somebody has to sue. Every. Bloody. Time.

Why won't institutions do the right thing in the first place?😡

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2026 22:52

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/05/2026 22:50

Wockery? 🤔

Welease Wodger?

Wookie Chewy!

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/05/2026 22:53

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