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Lorna Young v Manchester City Council, Employment Tribunal, May 2026

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Mmmnotsure · 12/05/2026 13:00

Lorna Young is taking her former employer, Manchester City Council, to Employment Tribunal. The case began today. It is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets https://x.com/tribunaltweets
and coverage is also available on their Substack
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/lorna-young-vs-manchester-city-council

Lorna Young was Equality Team Manager at MCC. She was dismissed, among other grounds, for her social media activity.

Lorna Young is gender critical and Catholic, and opposes surrogacy. She is claiming unfair dismissal, and discrimination and harassment because of religion or belief, and disability.

Tribunal Tweets (@tribunaltweets) on X

Citizen journalists -"a valuable service" The Lawyer Magazine See also @tribunaltweets2

https://x.com/tribunaltweets

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MarieDeGournay · 20/05/2026 09:01

ItsCoolForCats · 20/05/2026 07:18

Sorry, I've missed some of the thread but have been trying to catch up. Has the rest of the hearing been postponed to a future date?

Court adjourned until 21/22 September.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/05/2026 09:13

MarieDeGournay · 20/05/2026 09:01

Court adjourned until 21/22 September.

Why was it adjourned? The case was supposed to run 11 - 22 May 2026 but finished early yesterday afternoon with over two days left this week. It's not as though they have set aside more than two days in September.

MarieDeGournay · 20/05/2026 09:16

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/05/2026 09:13

Why was it adjourned? The case was supposed to run 11 - 22 May 2026 but finished early yesterday afternoon with over two days left this week. It's not as though they have set aside more than two days in September.

Sorry, I just cut and pasted 'Court adjourned until 21/22 September.' to be helpful! that's all I know - maybe somebody else can give the details.

AuntMunca · 20/05/2026 09:42

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/05/2026 09:13

Why was it adjourned? The case was supposed to run 11 - 22 May 2026 but finished early yesterday afternoon with over two days left this week. It's not as though they have set aside more than two days in September.

The remaining witness for the respondent is on sick leave so not available for cross-examination this week.

SexRealistic · 20/05/2026 11:21

ItsCoolForCats · 20/05/2026 07:18

Sorry, I've missed some of the thread but have been trying to catch up. Has the rest of the hearing been postponed to a future date?

Yes back in late September. Due to witness availabilty. And then its the witnesses birthday so she doesn't want Lorna and her GC ways to spoil her very special day. So the barrister asked if they could delay for a few weeks. For a birthday. And it wasn't even likely she'd still be on the stand for her birthday. But you know she might be. And its her special day.

SexRealistic · 20/05/2026 11:24

A reminder on how to get access to view in September.

A couple of days prior so Thursday 17 September or so (it starts on Monday 21st September) take the following steps.

Contact the Tribunal at [email protected]

Include Lorna Young v MCC in the subject & body

"Request to observe remotely” in the subject heading to request a remote link.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 20/05/2026 11:38

SexRealistic · 20/05/2026 11:24

A reminder on how to get access to view in September.

A couple of days prior so Thursday 17 September or so (it starts on Monday 21st September) take the following steps.

Contact the Tribunal at [email protected]

Include Lorna Young v MCC in the subject & body

"Request to observe remotely” in the subject heading to request a remote link.

Thanks, I have added a reminder in my calendar

SexRealistic · 20/05/2026 11:52

SternJoyousBeev2 · 20/05/2026 11:38

Thanks, I have added a reminder in my calendar

Come back here and remind us too ;-)

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/05/2026 11:52

SexRealistic · 20/05/2026 11:21

Yes back in late September. Due to witness availabilty. And then its the witnesses birthday so she doesn't want Lorna and her GC ways to spoil her very special day. So the barrister asked if they could delay for a few weeks. For a birthday. And it wasn't even likely she'd still be on the stand for her birthday. But you know she might be. And its her special day.

I guess a few more weeks of stress for Lorna Young count for nothing?
All seems a bit one sided

SidewaysOtter · 20/05/2026 12:48

The thing about the WhatsApp group is bonkers. I’ve lost my phone before and restored chats from a back up - I didn’t have to tell it to do that, it just reinstalled all my chats when I logged into the app on a new phone.

What are the chances that absolutely everyone in the chat not only lost their phone or otherwise lost access to WhatsApp but also didn’t have automatic back up enabled, when it’s the default setting?

MassiveWordSalad · 20/05/2026 13:28

Thanks to @Mmmnotsure for the thread, @JaneDoeKeepsReceipts for the pasting, and Tribunal Tweets as always.

I’m finding this case quite horrifying. I think it’s the idea of Lorna Young’s colleagues hunting down her private account and discussing it behind her back, and that the whole situation having such a terrible impact on her mental health. All this over four tweets, expressing legally-protected views that many (most) people hold. It’s really sinister. Imagine, god forbid, if she had taken her own life, no tribunal had taken place, and this shower of bastards carrying on with their agenda and smugly assuring each other that it was nothing to do with them 😞

MassiveWordSalad · 20/05/2026 13:30

SidewaysOtter · 20/05/2026 12:48

The thing about the WhatsApp group is bonkers. I’ve lost my phone before and restored chats from a back up - I didn’t have to tell it to do that, it just reinstalled all my chats when I logged into the app on a new phone.

What are the chances that absolutely everyone in the chat not only lost their phone or otherwise lost access to WhatsApp but also didn’t have automatic back up enabled, when it’s the default setting?

Surely the tribunal will see through this bullshit.

CorporalKlingfilm · 20/05/2026 14:25

MassiveWordSalad · 20/05/2026 13:30

Surely the tribunal will see through this bullshit.

Since the bizarre efforts of EJ Sandy Kemp and his tribunal panel, frankly I trust nae fucker.

But I do have hope that the Kemp Conundrum is unrepeatable.

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:34

SidewaysOtter · 20/05/2026 12:48

The thing about the WhatsApp group is bonkers. I’ve lost my phone before and restored chats from a back up - I didn’t have to tell it to do that, it just reinstalled all my chats when I logged into the app on a new phone.

What are the chances that absolutely everyone in the chat not only lost their phone or otherwise lost access to WhatsApp but also didn’t have automatic back up enabled, when it’s the default setting?

amazing coincidence isnt it?

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:36

MassiveWordSalad · 20/05/2026 13:28

Thanks to @Mmmnotsure for the thread, @JaneDoeKeepsReceipts for the pasting, and Tribunal Tweets as always.

I’m finding this case quite horrifying. I think it’s the idea of Lorna Young’s colleagues hunting down her private account and discussing it behind her back, and that the whole situation having such a terrible impact on her mental health. All this over four tweets, expressing legally-protected views that many (most) people hold. It’s really sinister. Imagine, god forbid, if she had taken her own life, no tribunal had taken place, and this shower of bastards carrying on with their agenda and smugly assuring each other that it was nothing to do with them 😞

Wasnt it 2 tweets and 2 likes from an anonymous account?

I think the Met having had to apologise to Glinner this week about overreactions to tweets surely should be highlighted here?

SternJoyousBeev2 · 20/05/2026 14:51

CorporalKlingfilm · 20/05/2026 14:25

Since the bizarre efforts of EJ Sandy Kemp and his tribunal panel, frankly I trust nae fucker.

But I do have hope that the Kemp Conundrum is unrepeatable.

don’t forget the Maria Kelly decision …that still has me floored.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/05/2026 15:51

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:34

amazing coincidence isnt it?

If substantial parts of different team members complaints are identical then there is a high likelihood that they have been shared electronically between LY's team
If the evidence for this electronic sharing is not included in the respondents submissions then is there is a strong suggestion that this information has been deliberately withheld or destroyed
Were LY's team members questioned about the similarities in their complaints? Did they have any explanation?

soddingspiderseason · 20/05/2026 16:04

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/05/2026 15:51

If substantial parts of different team members complaints are identical then there is a high likelihood that they have been shared electronically between LY's team
If the evidence for this electronic sharing is not included in the respondents submissions then is there is a strong suggestion that this information has been deliberately withheld or destroyed
Were LY's team members questioned about the similarities in their complaints? Did they have any explanation?

Of course not. Frankly, women are at the bottom of the pile in terms of equality issues and the decision on this matter had already been made before the investigation started. So what was the point in asking ‘difficult’ questions?

Sladuf1 · 20/05/2026 17:00

rebax · 20/05/2026 07:05

I think we can gather what is really behind the late disclosure.

Most damning of all is non-disclosure of anything from HR. An obviously difficult case like this should have generated a huge e-mail trail. HR disclosure will either be "we've done what???" or "burn the witch"; or possibly both.

Similarly the difficulty all the witnesses had in saying what the reason was for Lorna being sacked.

I know, it is most damning. The inability of the witnesses to be specific when answering questions about the reason(s) for Lorna’s dismissal stinks of a lack of integrity in my view. They know what the true principal reason for Lorna’s dismissal was.

Having worked in HR in the public sector, I would be astounded if there wasn’t an email and/or other electronic documents trail about Lorna’s case. I think it’s safe to assume the contents are very prejudicial to the Council (along the lines you described). I also wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t been disclosed due to professional embarrassment it would cause some individuals who are obviously quite high up in HR for the council.

Maaate · 21/05/2026 11:54

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:34

amazing coincidence isnt it?

Unbelievable, some might say...

Delphin · 21/05/2026 12:16

SexRealistic · 19/05/2026 09:46

A recap for those just joining:

  • Lorna has an anonymous account called GalawyGirl.
  • She likes some sex realist content including a few tweets by Julie Bindle and JKR. The sheer horror!
  • Self righteous colleagues recall some reference to the account way back and go on a witch hunt. The connect the dots via a picture of Trevi fountain where Lorna went to get comfort in her faith after her father died.
  • Said colleagues run a whatsapp group to talk about Lorna.
  • Oh dear all phones are lost so the actual whatsapp group can't be disclosed.
  • They raise concerns with Lorna's seniors and the head of Council.
  • During Lorna's time at the Council trans men are men & trans women are women and trans rights are human rights adopted as a belief from a Council
  • These likes on tweets were so shocking the investigating officer couldn't bnring themselves to email them to Lorna. Except they'd been emailed from an employee to another employee to HR to the investigatinng officer and put on a shared drive and we transfer and generally spread willy nilly. Dog whistle anyone?
  • No disclosure in parts
  • Late disclosure in parts
  • Incomplete disclosure
  • HR people giving advice left right and centre but nothing written down
  • Someone compromised put in as investigating officer
  • A senior manager in thrall to the younger employees and willing to do anything to please
  • Stonewall and Mermaids
  • A totally captured grey robot type woman who isn't employed by MCC managed Lorna. She tran's into a postbox and sends a load of letters but doesn't know what she signed or what it meant.
  • She was investigated for inappropriate gender critical abusive tweets but what a suprise she was cleared. But as shes employed by an NHS body that white wash can't be disclopsed.

Well done Lorna. Don't let them grind you down!

Thank you, @SexRealistic. for the condensed report. As a non-native speaker living in a non-english country it's difficult to follow the short form/abbrev. tweets about a law subject I don't know much about and keeping all the involved ducks in a row. 🤯

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/05/2026 12:53

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 19/05/2026 15:24

Well, the Sandie Peggie judge called Dr Upton "credible" after the expert had said the dates on his contemporaneous record of events could not have been genuine... so I guess they are all credible.

Also found Searle credible despite the fact that she'd burst into tears during her evidence after being caught in a lie by NC.

Hmm
SexRealistic · 21/05/2026 15:18

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/05/2026 12:53

Also found Searle credible despite the fact that she'd burst into tears during her evidence after being caught in a lie by NC.

Hmm

Yes but the entire cohort who watched the entire shambles know that those statements make Kemp dodgy, stupid or an ideologue.

We know he’s not credible and Naomi and Ben will prove it. And it will be beautiful.

WFTCHTJ · 22/05/2026 05:38

SexRealistic · 19/05/2026 12:01

My Barrister heart ❤️ list is

Naomi Cunningham
Nathan Roberts
Niazi Fetto

Wot no Ben Cooper?

Brainworm · 22/05/2026 06:12

Sladuf1 · 20/05/2026 17:00

I know, it is most damning. The inability of the witnesses to be specific when answering questions about the reason(s) for Lorna’s dismissal stinks of a lack of integrity in my view. They know what the true principal reason for Lorna’s dismissal was.

Having worked in HR in the public sector, I would be astounded if there wasn’t an email and/or other electronic documents trail about Lorna’s case. I think it’s safe to assume the contents are very prejudicial to the Council (along the lines you described). I also wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t been disclosed due to professional embarrassment it would cause some individuals who are obviously quite high up in HR for the council.

I think it’s highly unlikely that there aren’t any emails/ notes. However, HR teams who have been subject to SARs have developed processes to taking things off line and/or make records undiscoverable.

As a senior leader, I tend to get cc’d into messages along the lines of ……. ‘Are you aware of the grievance issues raised by an F1 based in Blue Ward. The F1 continues to…….’. The thread then continues with no names being mentioned.

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