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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brave student petition about sex-based toilet provision changes at a school

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SexRealistic · Yesterday 19:29

I came across the Inciteful Sister podcast (really worth a listen www.patreon.com/IncitefulSisters) and it had a link to a petition to change toilet provision at a specific school.

This petition has been started by a student at Wyedean School. They've gone gender neutral and removed the external doors.

https://www.change.org/p/change-the-toilet-facilities-at-wyedean-school?recruited_by_id=c7003460-487c-11f1-8c9b-1fd1fe7a07c9&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_promote_or_share&utm_medium=twitter&share_id=CWRST62XNg

Please sign if you can

Sign the Petition

Change the Toilet facilities at Wyedean School.

https://www.change.org/p/change-the-toilet-facilities-at-wyedean-school?recruited_by_id=c7003460-487c-11f1-8c9b-1fd1fe7a07c9&share_id=CWRST62XNg

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Keeptoiletssafe · Yesterday 21:07

She wants gender neutral toilets. These never work for all the reasons she has identified.

What Cora and the school needs is the external door put back on and the full height doors and partitions put back to the old style traditional ones with door gaps on 15cm door to floor and space above the standard height door. This means the toilets will be a traditional single sex design within a single sex washroom.

The advantages on this is that they would not smell as much as ventilation is improved. There would be no sex in the cubicles. If anyone fainted, collapsed for any reason, it would be immediately noticed as soon as another person entered the washroom. This is important for those with medical conditions.
Because cleaners can mop and soak floors better, the smell will be reduced and so will pathogens. For girls it means they can wash blood off their hands and clothes in a single sex washroom.

The above changes with enable the school to stay within new regulations and health and safety legislation.

The disadvantage is a lack of complete privacy. However, she notes people can hear anyway so seeing shoes isn’t a massive difference.

The unisex toilet should be by reception. This enables staff to constantly monitor who is going in and out to prevent misuse.
Any additional unisex toilets should be monitored extremely carefully too.

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 22:02

I agree, KTS - it's like they reinvented the wheel, came up with a square one, which doesn't work so they are petitioning for an obtuse triangle one instead🙄

Boy's/girl's/accessible, and if they want, a mixed sex one which conforms to building regs and is in an easily-monitored location. Fixed it for them.

Call me 'KeepToiletsSimple' - the Keeptoiletssafe tribute band😁

Keeptoiletssafe · Yesterday 22:33

Thank you @MarieDeGournay. I know you know as much as I do.

Presumably the school had a full height door leading into a single sex toilet suite, cubicles with door and partition gaps, inside a single sex washroom. So far, so standard.

Then, they decided to go mixed sex. Because of the voyeurism and discomfort they had to make the cubicles private.

Then because of the sex, drugs and other misuse happening inside the toilet suite they had to take the outer door off.

The sex, drugs and misuse are concentrated in the private cubicles. Pupils aren’t safe inside the cubicles (spiked vapes and seizures being just one potential problem). The toilets stink because there is little air flow and cleaning is more difficult. The sinks aren’t single sex so washing blood off your hands is embarrassing. Children get dehydrated as they don’t want to use the toilets.

This scenario has been played out time and time again. This is the stage this school is at.

if you look at all the regulations and legislation, that’s why a toilet used by both sexes is in a room to be used by one person at a time. Not a cubicle within a room. And the sink is within that room with the toilet.

The next stage, in the debacle of mixed sex toilets, is when the school pays for voice activated alarms to be installed in each cubicle. They are specially marketed for ‘gender neutral’ private cubicles and send a sms to staff if a child calls certain prompts out like ‘help me’ or ‘stop it’. Some children refuse to use a monitored toilet, fearful it’s watching them. Some schools install heat sensors that pick up how many children are in the cubicle together.

The next stage is the school switch the alarms off because children muck about with the alarms.

To schools: just save time, money, hassle and choose healthier and safer single sex designs.

SexRealistic · Yesterday 22:33

@Keeptoiletssafe I suspected you wouldn’t be long in coming forward. These young women are brave to start something - but yes there needs to be safe provision.

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Keeptoiletssafe · Yesterday 22:48

Yes it’s the school that needs to be sensible and just go back to normal provision as listed by @MarieDeGournay .

On the plus side too the school can now ‘blame’ regulations. Regulations for health and safety is why schools had those single sex designs in the first place.

Grammarnut · Today 19:29

As well as sorting out the toilets to single sex with spaces at the top and bottom of doors, the school could with advantage teach their pupils what a sentence is: the brave girl doesn't know.

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