US TIM kidnaps 10-year-old son for surgical castration

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I haven't seen very much on this case here in the US, but what I have, has been whitewashed to hell. A TIM in a contentious custody battle kidnaped his preteen son for "gender surgery" in Cuba. The boy was rescued before he could be mutilated.

The boy is 10. His father is being referred to in a lot of news stories as the mother, which has been making me want to rip my hair out.

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That is shocking.

Awful.

It's hard to know which is worse; that there's people who will do this to their children, or that they have so many cheer-leaders.

Christ, at that age the kid should be identifying as à dinosaur or something. I'm glad he was rescued.

The number of people I've seen trying to excuse this drives me insane. No one else would be given this much benefit of the doubt. Why the HELL does a child gender therapist need 10k?

People already fancy themselves conductors on the Underground Railway (which is obviously hugely offensive and hyperbolic), using the family court system to ferry kids to states that allow child transition. But now that hospitals are second guessing these procedures, they're stealing them away to foreign countries instead. It's terrifying.

Cuba doesn't perform gender surgery on under 18s. OP, the article you've linked even acknowledges this, did you not read it or are you deliberately spreading misinformation? The claim the child was being taken abroad for surgery came from a mouthpiece for the Trump administration - be careful about falling for propaganda.

Whilst I do think the poor kid is being unreasonably influenced by their Dad which is why he’s trying to identify as a girl I don’t think there’s a lot of evidence that they’d planned a surgery.

It’d be illegal in Cuba for a start, I do appreciate his family (on his mums side) are concerned and I suspect she’s had to deal with lots of quasi delusional bullshit from her ex which won’t be helping.

On the plus side, hopefully this will get the mum full custody,

He was taking the kid somewhere it's still a straightforward process to have done for teens, as opposed to the US, where many hospitals are now refusing. But given the TRA's own narrative that early transition is the only way, I see no reason to give the benefit of the doubt, especially after, again, thousands of dollars were paid to a gender therapist.

I sincerely hope it wasn't the case, but after the WPATH Files and the numerous medical professionals writing childhood castration stories, after the Epstein nightmare, again, I just have no goodwill or benefit of the doubt left.

No. Cuba doesn't perform these surgeries on under 18s. This child is 10. There is no "benefit of the doubt" here, it's simply untrue that this child was taken to Cuba for surgery and whatever you think of the wider story, you're spreading misinformation.

I have faith in Cuba's laws and medical system. It isn't that I'm suspicious of. It's these men we found to be active in organizations like WPATH who were found to be doing fetishizing child castration and forcefemming while doing home castration on men.

That's where my darkest suspicions lead, due to the number of pedophiles that have been implicated in the advancement of childhood transition. In the very best case scenario, this man groomed his child and escaped somewhere he thought the family court system couldn't stop him from having being on blockers and given SRS at 18, which is becoming more difficult in the US.

The quote in the video and the article both clearly use the word 'concerns'.

None of this explains why you claimed in your OP that the child was taken to Cuba for a surgery that isn't performed there and was "rescued before he could be mutilated" when no mutilation was about to happen.

Nor is there any evidence at all this child's parent is a paedophile or considering performing a home castration.

If the truth was bad enough you wouldn't need to lie to make it sound worse.

Lying? No, you're not defending this gross shit. A man who grooms his little boy into thinking he's a girl, kidnaps that child for the purpose of continuing to medically transition him against the family's wishes, and pays a child gender therapist 10k is a sicko.

I posted one article for illustration, but there are numerous others. A previous poster posted screenshots of the LE release, found here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/utah-10-year-old-reunited-biological-mother-after-transgender-parent-and-partner

The truth is bad enough.

The alleged manipulation.
The parental kidnapping.
The concerns about pre-pubertal gender affirming care.

This was clearly enough for the FBI to act. Frankly, the second point (parental kidnapping) is bad enough in itself.

I don't think it is unfair to think that the parents had different opinions about their son's future. It is likely that they also had different opinions regarding 'gender affirming care' and that this was a factor in the father's decision to kidnap his own child and take him to a different country away from his mother.

As an aside, regarding parental kidnapping, I wonder what the ratio of mothers (female) kidnapping their own children is compared to fathers (male) kidnapping their own children? Is one sex more likely to do this? I also wonder if the motivations are different?

I think more mothers do it, and I can't assume motivation; many do it to escape abuse, but certainly there have been many cases of wanting to hurt the ex and get a fresh start without the complication of child custody.

At a guess I’d say that the motivation for women kidnapping their child/ren are mainly to protect or escape. The motivation for most men are to punish and control.

Perhaps it’s similar to how mothers that kill their children then kill themselves seem to be driven (from reports I’ve seen) by ‘ending suffering’ whereas we see male family annihilation driven by a completely different mindset?

This is obviously with the caveat of generalisation etc.

Saw a video of the father on YouTube - he seems rather aggressive, so I’m not surprised his wife moved several states away.

I have no idea of the surgery claim is true or the rules in Cuba, but I've seen far too many confident claims of 'that's not happening' when it certainly is, especially when it comes to 'trans' child medicine.
I've always been struck by the juxtaposition of trans activists absolutely refusing to believe for example that children are being prescribed cross sex hormones and then in the next breath claiming that if those same children don't get them, they'll kill themselves.
As we know from Susie Green, activist parents do take underage children out of the country for surgery that they could not legally get at home.
The idea that a parent might try do this is not at all beyond the realms of believability. The last WPATH guidelines removed all recommended minimum age for surgical ir medical interventions.
Just because these extremists may not legally be able to do something, doesn't mean they're not trying.

Yes. I do believe he was trying, not that he succeeded in finding a butcher. There have been too many predators and batshit parents not to believe he was trying something to that effect and thought they'd just let him.

Oh OK, sorry @ScaryFacess I supposed the only thing the guy did was tell his ex he was taking their kid on vacation on Canada and then withdrew a ton of cash from his account and secretly absconded to a foreign country - aka kidnapping. So totally what's the big deal the TIM just kidnapped the child that's it!

Here's some other things the article says:

The child, identified in court documents as MV 1, was assigned male at birth but identifies as a girl because of what family members believed to be “manipulation” by Rose Inessa-Ethington, according to the affidavit.

The affidavit stated that “concerns exist that MV 1 was transported to Cuba for gender reassignment surgery prior to puberty.”

The FBI said that Blue Inessa-Ethington withdrew $10,000 from her checking account before leaving. Agents also found at the couple's home a note with instructions from a mental health therapist in Washington, D.C., “to send the therapist the $10,000.00 and instructions on gender affirming medical care for children.” The note didn’t mention Cuba.

I agree this is all just more MAGA lies. Anytime anything happens that makes trans people look bad it's not real its just MAGA being MAGA. We're all MAGA. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

I have heard of two situations, anecdotally though I’ve no reason to doubt them, of teen girls being taken by their mothers abroad for mastectomies during half term/ Easter holidays. Both in Scotland.

It turns out that when I thought that I couldn't be shocked by this ideology anymore, I was wrong.

American living in UK here: counseling (for any mental health issue) is ridiculously expensive in the US and even good health insurance plans only cover a little of it; the $10k could legitimately just be for regular counseling. My therapist in the US cost $600 for a 45-minute session, and my health insurance (which was actually a really good plan) barely covered any of it; I saw her every other week. In comparison, my private UK therapist only costs £120 per 1-hour session, and I don’t have private insurance.