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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh good grief, the family courts are still using "cisgender" and "assigned the female gender at birth"

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Another2Cats · 21/04/2026 20:39

What makes it even worse is that this is in the High Court and it is Sir Andrew McFarlane (President of the Family Division) who said it.

This case involves a sperm donor and a trans-identifying woman who was recorded as the father on the child's birth certificate.

The whole case is about the sperm donor rather then the purported 'father', so this is just a side issue. But even so, the casual use of language like this still comes across as jarring to me.

In the quote below, just remember that EF is a trans-identifying woman:

2 There is a separate issue arising from the fact that an individual, EF, who cannot be N’s father, is registered as ‘father’ on N’s birth certificate. Mr Albon seeks a declaration of non-parentage with respect to EF. EF does not consent to the making of such a declaration, but accepts that he has no grounds on which to oppose it.

3 In 2019 N’s mother, Ms JE [random initials], began a romantic relationship with EF [random initials], a cisgender woman (having been assigned the female gender at birth) who was, at that time, still identifying as female.

4 About one year into their relationship EF began identifying as transgender. Ms JE supported EF’s decision to transition to the male gender. EF changed his forename and pronouns to male and began taking testosterone. By that time Ms JE was forming the view that she would like to have a child of her own. EF conducted some research and identified Mr Albon as a possible sperm donor...Ms JE regarded the donation of sperm as being a business transaction and nothing more.

5 Ms JE and EF registered N’s birth, with EF being registered as ‘father’ on N’s birth certificate. At that time, the couple both knew that conception had been achieved using Mr Albon’s sperm. The false declaration to the registrar has been reported to the police, who have apparently decided to take no action.

6 In the spring of 2023, Ms JE and EF separated, leaving Ms JE with the full-time care of N ...

7 In December 2023, Mr Albon applied for a declaration that he is N’s father and that EF is not ...

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I really am very surprised that language like this is still being used in judgments and it does make me wonder about what attitudes still exist amongst judges.

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This case ended with the guy who was the sperm donor being refused a declaration of parentage (for various reasons - mostly linked to him treating it as a business) but also there was a declaration that the trans-identifying woman was also not the child's father.

87 By agreement, there will be a declaration that EF is not N’s father.

So now the child is left with no legal father. All very odd indeed.

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This all comes from a very odd case indeed about an American guy, now living in the UK, who provides a service as an unregulated sperm donor. The judgment was handed down today.

Re N (Paternity: Unregulated Sperm Donor) [2026] EWHC 878 (Fam)

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/fam/2026/878

Basically there is a guy, by the name of Robert Albon, who goes around making his living by providing sperm donations for women who want to conceive. He advertises on various different social media platforms.

He brought a case applying for a declaration that he was the legal father of the child and not the trans-identifying woman.

The High Court said that, since he was involved with, in a business capacity, an activity that was regulated by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 then he should not be recognised as the father of the child on public policy grounds.

The judge differentiated this case from other cases of informal sperm donation due to the quantity (is that the right word?) and the organised businesslike way that he did things.

N (Paternity: Unregulated Sperm Donor), Re - Find Case Law - The National Archives

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/fam/2026/878

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 21/04/2026 20:56

I’ve come on to see if anyone was talking about this.

The BBC reporting suggests that the trans identified partner is on the birth certificate as the father. I didn’t think that was legal.

apple.news/An93BJ6KkQhivM2fu_9yBmw

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 21/04/2026 21:00

Ah, ok, so your post clarifies the mum put her partner on the BC, but that was declared a false declaration, but police not interested.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2026 21:00

It isn't legal. Freddie McConnell lost a legal battle to be named as father on the birth certificate of the child to whom she had given birth, conceived through fertility treatment commenced just after FMcC had obtained a gender recognition certificate enabling her to get her birth certificate reissued showing she was male.

Extraordinary that the woman mentioned above thought the identify of her child's genetic father was unimportant.

Another2Cats · 21/04/2026 21:01

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 21/04/2026 20:56

I’ve come on to see if anyone was talking about this.

The BBC reporting suggests that the trans identified partner is on the birth certificate as the father. I didn’t think that was legal.

apple.news/An93BJ6KkQhivM2fu_9yBmw

"The BBC reporting suggests that the trans identified partner is on the birth certificate as the father. I didn’t think that was legal."

The trans-identifying partner was (although, realistically, still is) on the birth certificate as the father.

As you say, you can't do that. They were either ignorant of the law or just went ahead and did it anyway.

That is why the court said that there would also be a declaration that she was not the father as well:

87 By agreement, there will be a declaration that EF is not N’s father.

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 21/04/2026 21:21

I suppose as a society we don’t appear to value the identity of the father either. We could insist on accurate information on birth certificate - delaying the addition of the father until it’s been tested- but we choose not to.

Hedgehogforshort · 21/04/2026 21:35

Sigh. So basically two lesbians in a relationship used sperm from a donor to create a child.

said mother is now a single parent. And the child has no legally recognised father. That could if he had status contribute to the child’s financial and emotional needs.

I hope the donor appeals, as the judgement is not putting the child’s interests as paramount.

I do not mind at all that lesbians and gay men have children, it is by what means that bother me.

The whole fertility sector needs a proper overhaul arching regulatory structure.

Where genetical relationships are acknowledged legally.

A failure to do so, will in the future result in close relatives procreating,it such a shit show.

yes the language is a load of bollocks but to me that is not the primary issue.

MJagain · 21/04/2026 21:48

The poor child. Born into a woke shit show of people more interested in their own drama than being sensible parents

Roystonv · 21/04/2026 22:21

Horrified to read in the I newspaper today a long employment question and answer about using chosen pronouns at work and how older workers needed educating on this. I thought we were out the other side now in broad daylight but apparently not.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 21/04/2026 22:25

I'd imagine the language was chosen specifically to be acceptable to the people in question, as we see the big discussions in court when there's a case with activists and sex realists about who uses what language.

Yes, it's annoying that there is no objective, clear and factual language, and people can opt for this fictional nonsense. Which it is. But it's in the same league as fictional nonsense being put on legal identity documents.

I'm glad the child at least has been protected from adults rewriting their identity in order to fit their own fictions and issues.

ThatFairy · 21/04/2026 22:41

My brother at hospital was asked if he could be pregnant. I was shocked that they didn't know what sex he was

AntiqueBabyLoanSmurf · 21/04/2026 22:48

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2026 21:00

It isn't legal. Freddie McConnell lost a legal battle to be named as father on the birth certificate of the child to whom she had given birth, conceived through fertility treatment commenced just after FMcC had obtained a gender recognition certificate enabling her to get her birth certificate reissued showing she was male.

Extraordinary that the woman mentioned above thought the identify of her child's genetic father was unimportant.

There does seem to be a pervading theme in cases like this, whereby another person's birth certificate is hijacked by somebody seeking to validate themselves and make it all about them. How narcissistic can you be? Even if your name features on it as a parent, the BC is all about, and belongs to, the person who has been born.

Did the courts actually entertain the suggestion for a moment that a female could in any way possibly be a baby's father? If that's how it goes, why not just routinely ask all accused people in court if they identify as guilty or innocent and then take it on their say-so?!

Bobbymoore123 · Yesterday 08:13

You are cisgender.
Claiming you are not is like saying "I'm not straight, I'm just not homosexual because homosexuality isn't real", the statement, far from being a political opinion, just doesn't make sense and betrays an ignorance of language, whether or not you believe womanhood is a social construct.

nutmeg7 · Yesterday 08:17

Bobbymoore123 · Yesterday 08:13

You are cisgender.
Claiming you are not is like saying "I'm not straight, I'm just not homosexual because homosexuality isn't real", the statement, far from being a political opinion, just doesn't make sense and betrays an ignorance of language, whether or not you believe womanhood is a social construct.

🙄

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · Yesterday 08:25

Bobbymoore123 · Yesterday 08:13

You are cisgender.
Claiming you are not is like saying "I'm not straight, I'm just not homosexual because homosexuality isn't real", the statement, far from being a political opinion, just doesn't make sense and betrays an ignorance of language, whether or not you believe womanhood is a social construct.

That's what a religious person would say in reply to me pointing out I was not going to define myself as a 'sinner' because they said so. I don't share that belief system. Call yourself what you like, but I won't be using the labels you're handing to me.

DialSquare · Yesterday 09:10

Bobbymoore123 · Yesterday 08:13

You are cisgender.
Claiming you are not is like saying "I'm not straight, I'm just not homosexual because homosexuality isn't real", the statement, far from being a political opinion, just doesn't make sense and betrays an ignorance of language, whether or not you believe womanhood is a social construct.

No thank you

Justme56 · Yesterday 10:06

Funnily enough they don’t identify the mother or the father of the child as cisgender which rather suggests that it’s rather redundant and not any ‘ignorance of language’ or denial of transpeople.

moto748e · Yesterday 10:47

I don't see the sperm-donor's angle. What has he got to gain from this?

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