SEENinHealth Interactive Map of (unlawful) NHS single sex and trans self ID policies for whole of UK - check out your Trust and find template letters to call for the return of lawfulness to the NHS!

[KnottyAuty]

Very proud to announce that SEENinHealth has published an interactive policy map on their website here:

https://seeninhealth.org/nhs-foi-map/

This is a huge milestone for the fabulous 40 or so mumsnetters who worked together to audit these NHS policies last year and "keep the receipts" which form the basis for this map. SEENinHealth have passed on their thanks to you all!

It is thought that there have been no single sex spaces in the NHS since 2009 despite public declarations to the contrary. The gender self ID policies on this map were in force in 2024-2025 and we found no evidence of any protected single sex spaces for staff or patients across the UK - over 300 Trusts!

We have been doing a follow up sample of FOI searches this month. The results are coming in but so far no Trusts have updated to lawful single sex spaces yet - all are waiting for EHRC guidance... the map will be updated in due course.

Please do use this data to help hold your elected representatives and NHS Trusts to account. And share with others. Sample letters and contact details are linked from the map page to make it easy to request that your Trust complies with the law.

SEENinHealth will be launching the map officially tomorrow so any help boosting their social media posts would be great thank you.

DPT and RDUH (unfortunately the latter pin appears in front of the former so you have to specifically go looking for the latter to find it. DPT is the mental health trust so far fewer people treated than the main hospital trust).

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@KnottyAuty - the main problem will be that you can't open archive.org links when using mobile data. The mobile providers have blocked the entirety of archive.org because the site contains some adult material. See the top answer here - https://community.three.co.uk/t5/Broadband/Can-t-access-Internet-Archive-archive-org/m-p/47323

FFS one of my DC works there.

I had the same issue - but the other way round. I initially could only access DPT, and couldn’t work out how people were quoting from RDUH. Had to really open the map out - but both were perfectly accessible once this was done.

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Thank you - if they have different postcodes and you can advise I can get the pin location adjusted thanks?!

Ah thanks that’s helpful

They have postcodes with a very slight difference - it may not be discernible on a map without intense zooming in. I used to work for DPT back in the day, and used the RD&E canteen, shop etc - they are literally next door.

RDUH - EX2 5DW
DPT - EX2 5AF

They can both be found using the search function if looking for the individual trusts, but I think geography will make using the map pins difficult.

Been a busy couple of weeks so I've only just got round to emailing my MP, the MP where my local hospital is, and the hospital itself. I couldn't find the contact details for the trust CEO so I've sent it to PALS, the complaints email address, and cced the Trust Comms team which might get their attention!

They'll probably see "single sex" in the subject line and delete my email but at least I feel like I've done something.

@MarjorieWestriding I think we might both be in the same trust catchment, FHFT - I've written to the Slough and Windsor MPs. The MP for Surrey Heath which covers Frimley is a Lib Dem so I think that would be a waste of my time!

@Xiaoxiong I'm in west Oxfordshire, so not the same area, but we are also burdened with a Lib Dem MP. When I wrote to him last year asking if he was going to obey the Supreme Court ruling, his reply was entirely about trans people and didn't mention women and girls once. I wrote back mentioning this but never heard back.

Ugh, not surprising. I've told this story on here before but I used to be an actual paying member of the Lib Dems, and they cancelled my membership and my direct debit because I wrote to them in 2019 asking what their official trans policy was. Not even criticising their policy! Just asking what the official line was, because Baroness Featherstone had just said that TERFs weren't welcome in the Lib Dems. It was the most illiberal action I've ever seen, the mask really slipped and I won't vote for them again unless they make some serious changes.

Well I've written all my emails, now I'm a bit worried they'll just write back and say they're waiting for guidance and can do nothing without guidance etc.

Has anyone else on here heard back from their emails yet?

Nothing yet!
But I am expecting to be completely blanked

Good evening!
An update for you on the recent FOIs
40 sent out and 26 replies so far
19/26 no change to policies
5/26 on hold/withdrawn/awaiting guidance
1/26 NHS Fife still not writing anything down presumably going for the plausible deniability angle?
1/26 Updated policy - still reading and working out what the garbled lingo might mean .
Will report back soon

Nothing from my MP at all.
I am not surprised

I've just had a response back from my local trust - they have just sent me without any comment, their Equality & Diversity Policy (which has nothing in it at all about single sex policies), and a leaflet I hadn't seen before titled "Our commitment to providing Single Sex Accommodation for In-Patients" dated Sept 2018 and due for review Sept 2021. This is completely non-compliant, stating:

"What if I my gender identity differs from my given sex? Transgender, gender variant and non-binary patients will be accommodated in the environment that they identify with or feel safest in. Where possible, these patients will be offered the choice of a single room. Patients are not required to prove their gender with documentation such as a gender recognition certificate or legal name change. If the view of family members does not match the trans-person’s wishes, the trans-person’s view will take priority."

@KnottyAuty what are you doing - are you writing back to the teams that say they're not changing their policies?

My local hospital was, a few weeks ago, "intolerant of mixed sex wards" but the internal trans policy was to allow trans people on to the ward consistent with their gender identity without telling any females.
I contacted the Patient liason service and asked if TIMs with a history of violence to women would be put on a female ward and the women be completely unaware. I got no answer and was about to put in a formal complaint only to find that the public website had changed to now say that there are female same sex ,"rooms" with same sex loos and bathrooms.
So it looks like an improvement although I don't know what the internal trans policy says.

I don’t think @KnottyAuty has time to follow up all of these. I’d suggest finding the email address of the chair and chief executive of your local trust, and forwarding them the Trust response, with a covering email asking when the Board will discuss the level of legal risk they are currently carrying on this issue.

If they don’t reply, you could even FOI to see if it prompted any internal discussions. And Board minutes should be published, so you will able to see if they do discuss it.

wait wrong thread sorry...

Also send the response to your MP and ask them to put pressure on the Trust.

We have a report of all the audit findings coming out hopefully v soon- nothing new for anyone following this thread but could be another resource to support letter writing.

Good question!
It sounds like we need to do some sort of draft template response when any of us get a "fob off" ....? Let's see what sort of different excuses are given so we can try to work up a template which covers most of the nonsense?!

There is probably something we can say which now refers to the EHRC guidance that they all said they were waiting for 🙄and you will be wanting hear that they have a compliant policy within the next 40 days... let me have a think and see what SEENinHealth might be able to get on their website

@KnottyAuty I don’t want to add to the workload but it occurred to me that the recent ET judgment LS vs NHSE https://didlaw.com/ls-v-nhse-england has an impact for all your hard work.

I know ETs don’t create case law but the judgement found “3.2.2 the claimant’s complaint that the Trans Equality Procedure had the effect of violating her dignity or creating the Proscribed Environment on the grounds of her gender critical belief succeeds and is upheld.”

Essentially all NHSE have similar policies which means they potentially could also have the same effect giving rise to group claims from female employees. If you are going to produce template wording about the EHRC guidance would it be helpful to add in -

Your organisation will be aware of the recent Employment Tribunal judgement LS vs NHSE which found that “3.2.2 the claimant’s complaint that the Trans Equality Procedure had the effect of violating her dignity or creating the Proscribed Environment on the grounds of her gender critical belief succeeds
and is upheld.” Please can you confirm you have assessed your policies and Equality Impact Assessment to ensure that they do not have a similar discriminatory effect on your female employees.

Feel free to amend the wording.

You guys have a mention on Reddit for this thread, might be useful awareness. https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1tkyxee/the_mundanity_of_just_carrying_on/

I don’t have enough eyerolls for all the hyperbole.

More of the same - fuck the rights of women whose voices have been forced to be quieter on the last decade in order to accommodate men and their demands. Anyone who did speak up was told to hush up and look the other way.

The tide and public opinion is turning, one piece of guidance, legislation, pulled Pride funding, Stonewall cancellation and court case at a time - and it's bloody brilliant. The fact that the rainbows on Reddit are furiously imploding in a froth of self righteous indignation is joyful.