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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Laurie Penny is actually a feminist!

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MyrtleLion · 13/04/2026 15:51

Laurie Penny has finally realised she's actually a woman.

Feminists began raising the alarm about the manosphere decades ago – and we were ignored | Laurie Penny https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/apr/13/gamergate-andrew-tate-manosphere-feminists

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Igmum · 14/04/2026 11:39

*Tudors 🤦‍♀️

MyrtleLion · 14/04/2026 11:57

Igmum · 14/04/2026 11:38

Brilliant! I’ve had a soft spot for David Starkey ever since I was a 6th former nearly 50 years ago when I heard him speak about the Tudor in a local 6th form college. This is pure gold - she is such an entitled CF.

Hard agree.

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TWETMIRF · 14/04/2026 12:00

Ah yes, where would we be with Laurie to tell us that the person in the wrong is the person that notices a penis in the women's changing room, not the person who has it out on display.

Get your cock out in front of a little girl and she's the criminal.

MyrtleLion · 14/04/2026 13:14

TWETMIRF · 14/04/2026 12:00

Ah yes, where would we be with Laurie to tell us that the person in the wrong is the person that notices a penis in the women's changing room, not the person who has it out on display.

Get your cock out in front of a little girl and she's the criminal.

So true.

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KaleidoscopeSmile · 14/04/2026 13:28

RoyalCorgi · 14/04/2026 11:15

I remember that confrontation between Starkey and Penny, which took place back in 2012.

It's true that she was very rude and interrupted him with a personal attack when he was trying to make a point.

On the other hand, he really lost the moral high ground, in my view, by responding so aggressively. I think it looks pretty crap when an older man, with a substantial public reputation and therefore a lot of social capital, lays into a young woman like that. He could simply have disagreed with her politely and asked her to let him continue making his point.

What, he could've been "kind" you mean.

Young women shouldn't dish it to people if they don't want to get it back. And they certainly shouldn't be let off because they ARE young women, even by ......older men

SionnachRuadh · 14/04/2026 13:28

I'll say this though, bearing in mind that the media is very much a "who you know" business...

Neil Gaiman got his big break when, as a young journalist, he was sent to interview Terry Pratchett and befriended the great man, who was good enough to recommend this talented young chap to others. I don't think they were quite as close as Gaiman has implied over the years, but Terry giving Neil his entry into publishing is quite true.

Laurie Penny, once she'd graduated from Oxford, pretty ruthlessly used whatever contacts she'd managed to acquire to get a foot in the media door. I don't blame her for that - you use what advantages you've got. One person who made some important introductions for her was Neil Gaiman. A lot of Neil's interactions were self-serving, and look like he was grooming people to be character witnesses, but to be fair to the old creep, he's been willing to help others in their careers.

Maybe I just don't move in the right circles, but I have literally never heard anyone say "Laurie Penny really helped me with my career", or even heard of her doing a good turn for someone who wasn't in a position to do something for her. I've heard of quite a few people who used to be friendly with her, who ended up being cut dead as soon as they were no longer useful to her career.

I'm quite cynical about people who talk loudly about solidarity and empathy, because they're usually the people who lack those qualities.

RoyalCorgi · 14/04/2026 13:33

KaleidoscopeSmile · 14/04/2026 13:28

What, he could've been "kind" you mean.

Young women shouldn't dish it to people if they don't want to get it back. And they certainly shouldn't be let off because they ARE young women, even by ......older men

He didn't have to be kind, but he could at least have been civil. He massively overreacted, imho.

teawamutu · 14/04/2026 13:53

RoyalCorgi · 14/04/2026 13:33

He didn't have to be kind, but he could at least have been civil. He massively overreacted, imho.

Sounds like that may not have been the first time they met. Might have been a completely proportionate response to what she's actually like.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 15/04/2026 08:32

During lockdown Laurie Penny fell in love & married a guy then wrote this rather sweet article in Wired on "My Highly Unexpected Heterosexual Pandemic Zoom Wedding".

https://archive.ph/GfKMa

TheKeatingFive · 15/04/2026 08:37

What is the deal with Kath Viner and why has she been promoting this gender nonsense so relentlessly?

As for Penny, special place in hell for privileged, brain-dead dipshit types.

teawamutu · 15/04/2026 09:47

YourAmplePlumPoster · 15/04/2026 08:25

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/09/dont-dish-it-out-if-you-cant-take-it/
"They" got a well deserved roasting from our Julie.

Read that at the time but thoroughly enjoyed my revisit. Especially the glorious payoff.

SionnachRuadh · 15/04/2026 10:20

TheKeatingFive · 15/04/2026 08:37

What is the deal with Kath Viner and why has she been promoting this gender nonsense so relentlessly?

As for Penny, special place in hell for privileged, brain-dead dipshit types.

At a certain point Laurie was unofficially blackballed at the Guardian (also the Independent and New Statesman) because they'd all tried her out as a regular columnist and she proved impossible to work with. Editors came to look on her the way left wing MPs look on Zarah Sultana.

I suppose running the occasional comment piece from her is tolerable if she's not actually going to be on your regular rota.

The question is, how long is she going to be able to pull off the "angry voice of youth" shtick when she's pushing 40 and there are lots of young women out there who have the batshit politics Kath Viner likes, who are a lot cheaper, and who can even do what Laurie can't and write about subjects other than themselves?

It's not really a sexist double standard, because even Toby Young had to knock the enfant terrible act on the head eventually. This might be a good time for Laurie to start looking for interests she can write about - maybe gardening, or restaurant reviewing.

DogtoothViolentLady · 15/04/2026 10:51

Not gardening, please.

nauticant · 15/04/2026 11:10

Had a look at her Wikipedia entry. Appeared on the scene when she was about 20, had sudden influence that peaked when she was about 25, and in the 15 years of decline since there's been the rage-bait type articles and special identities.

All rather sad. Especially with her being 40 later this year and in real need of a new schtick.

Abhannmor · 15/04/2026 11:24

nauticant · 15/04/2026 11:10

Had a look at her Wikipedia entry. Appeared on the scene when she was about 20, had sudden influence that peaked when she was about 25, and in the 15 years of decline since there's been the rage-bait type articles and special identities.

All rather sad. Especially with her being 40 later this year and in real need of a new schtick.

Her next move could be a Hitchens type volte face ?

Why I am joining Reform after finally seeing the light !

SionnachRuadh · 15/04/2026 11:36

Abhannmor · 15/04/2026 11:24

Her next move could be a Hitchens type volte face ?

Why I am joining Reform after finally seeing the light !

If she so much as hints at it, I will send a note to Zia to make sure she's gatekept.

MyrtleLion · 15/04/2026 14:05

Abhannmor · 15/04/2026 11:24

Her next move could be a Hitchens type volte face ?

Why I am joining Reform after finally seeing the light !

🤣

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SionnachRuadh · 15/04/2026 15:22

I mean based on the New Statesman's cover story this week - which they tout as "new feminism rising" but seems mainly to be angry young femcels voting for Zack Polanski (and also failing the Bechdel test because they're constantly talking about men) - Laurie might have had a niche in the early 2010s, but she's not going to be short of competition from wannabe pundits almost young enough to be her daughters.

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 21:08

YourAmplePlumPoster · 15/04/2026 08:25

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/09/dont-dish-it-out-if-you-cant-take-it/
"They" got a well deserved roasting from our Julie.

Now that is fucking excellent and I love Julie Burchill.

Absolutely pitch perfect.

Lottapianos · 16/04/2026 08:34

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 21:08

Now that is fucking excellent and I love Julie Burchill.

Absolutely pitch perfect.

God, what a delight that was to read. Outstanding quotes from Julie Bindel and JK Rowling in a piece by Julie Burchill - made my day 😁

Mochudubh · 16/04/2026 10:57

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 21:08

Now that is fucking excellent and I love Julie Burchill.

Absolutely pitch perfect.

And very good value as I followed the links to the other excellent reviews by Brendan O'Neill and Julie Bindel.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/20/the-revenge-of-the-posh/

https://archive.ph/wYLhP

I must admit I've never heard of her outside Mumsnet but she does seem to be the gift that keeps on giving.

The revenge of the posh

All hail Laurie Penny, brave spokeswoman for the downtrodden bourgeoisie.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/20/the-revenge-of-the-posh/

Igmum · 16/04/2026 11:26

Yes excellent JB piece (I too read it at the time but she’s always worth a re-read)

SionnachRuadh · 16/04/2026 15:38

I've just seen that John Bercow is now acting as a spokesman for the Iranian communists, so I suppose it will be fun to see what humiliating gigs Laurie is prepared to accept as the price of staying "relevant".

Abhannmor · 16/04/2026 20:06

The Iranian communists? I thought Khomeini wiped them out in the 80s.