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Behind the scenes of an employment tribunal with Naomi Cunningham and Charlotte Elves

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Lovelyview · 13/04/2026 13:52

Naomi Cunningham and Charlotte Elves discuss how using a junior barrister in a tribunal can be effective. With a shout out to Mumsnet user @fifer

https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/sharing-the-advocacy

Sharing the advocacy

The client’s best interests could be well-served by sharing the advocacy with junior counsel more often than you might think – Naomi Cunningham and Charlotte Eves explore some less orthodox ways to divide the speaking role

https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/sharing-the-advocacy

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alliumursinum · 13/04/2026 14:03

Ha! Good article and lovely to see @fifer quoted....

murasaki · 13/04/2026 14:18

Very interesting, and yay for the shout out to @fifer.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 13/04/2026 14:23

Fame at last for @BezMills.

BezMills · 13/04/2026 14:34

Bladdy heck! I'm just glad it's one of his more SFW quotes!

murasaki · 13/04/2026 14:35

I bet they chuckled over the lot before picking that one.

Bluebootsgreenboots · 13/04/2026 14:40

How wonderful that @BezMillsgets the last word. Quite right too!!

thirdfiddle · 13/04/2026 17:46

Whole article made me smile from ear to ear. Two professional women working together so seamlessly. And on GC cases. And a fascinating insight into the thinking behind the tag-teaming. And finding out that they have read and appreciated the Fifer's unique take on things is the icing on the cake.

Kirschcherries · 13/04/2026 18:33

A lovely article and if I was Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson I would be very concerned by this:

Naomi:
One of the witnesses on the other side had given some rather technical (or at least technical-sounding) evidence on a subject on which there are a lot of practised obfuscations in circulation. I was worried the tribunal might be blinded with science, and particularly keen to make sure the cross-examination landed, so I decided to role-play it the day before, with Charlotte playing the witness.
The first practice run didn’t go well. Charlotte made an infuriatingly slippery and plausible witness. I went back to my hotel room and spent the rest of the evening rewriting my questions, tightening them up and blocking off escape routes. The second attempt — and then the third, with the witness herself — went much better.
Charlotte:
I enjoyed this exercise. I’d played witnesses before, of course, in advocacy training exercises. But it had a new level of immediacy doing it in the course of an ongoing hearing, where the witness was a real person we were going to meet tomorrow. Seeing how Naomi adapted her questioning to deal with my evasions and then seeing how well that worked with the real witness was one of the most satisfying and instructive bits of the hearing for me.

It shows how much prep NC and CE did before dismantling the DSD argument.

Kirschcherries · 13/04/2026 18:35

My other thought was wow NC must read MN to get that quote from the thousands of posts.

murasaki · 13/04/2026 18:56

Kirschcherries · 13/04/2026 18:35

My other thought was wow NC must read MN to get that quote from the thousands of posts.

In which case she'll be well aware that many of us want to be her when we grow up 😆

I enjoyed the mutual admiration between them.

StillSpartacus · 13/04/2026 19:05

Loved that. It also demonstrates the importance of a team that do their homework, compared with one who would rather object to pronouns than construct a case. To be fair to JR though, she was having to argue with imaginary facts.

GallantKumquat · 13/04/2026 20:57

Last year's cases were riveting, high drama, must read Internet. Fascinating to read the be-the-scenes work that went into them. NC was unusually good at 'closing the loop' during cross-examination, many commented on it. Now we know at least one of the reasons why.

Mmmnotsure · 13/04/2026 22:05

Using a junior barrister can be effective...

It gave us the glorious,
CE: "You went for the sixth best option'.

murasaki · 13/04/2026 22:10

Yes, that was glorious.

Londonmummy66 · 13/04/2026 22:17

I wanted to come on to celebrate the 6th best option even if @Mmmnotsure got there first....

Mmmnotsure · 13/04/2026 22:21

The more the merrier. It was a real highlight and seemed so simple.

I wonder if NC and CE run that between them at some stage.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 13/04/2026 23:07

A great read.
Oh to be able to clone NC and CE!
Glad Fifer got a mention. Very well deserved.

KnottyAuty · 13/04/2026 23:17

Mmmnotsure · 13/04/2026 22:05

Using a junior barrister can be effective...

It gave us the glorious,
CE: "You went for the sixth best option'.

Absolutely!
Show stealing line that - but only because Pete’s plot lines tended to be longer and less readily quoted

KitchenColourandstyle · 13/04/2026 23:17

Ooops shame they have mis-named Charlotte in the header - Elves not Eves.

Chersfrozenface · 14/04/2026 07:00

I like "Mumsnet analysts". Not "posters" , not "commentators", but "analysts".

Also made up to see Fifer quoted.

GetOffTheCounter · 14/04/2026 07:08

Oh lovely!

That's a joy of an article.

weegielass · 14/04/2026 08:30

how can she find time to do all she does and still read mumsnet.

Love her (and Charlotte). Wish we didn't have to wait for Sandie's appeal sulk. Also Sara's outcome is yet to come in Belfast too.

Glamourreader · 14/04/2026 08:53

Oh to be drinking buddies with Naomi and Charlotte!

Supporterofwomensrights · 14/04/2026 09:26

I love these two. So interesting to learn more about how they work. When I've contributed to fundraisers, I have occasionally felt frustrated about how expensive litigation is but these two are definitely earning their salaries.

Londonmummy66 · 14/04/2026 12:12

In my head I can hear a CE take down of Big Sond
"Do you agree that the best option would have been to read the law, study the cases and then apply it to this case? If so then why, as a judge, did you not do that?"

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