Anti-Social on R4 now on the girl guide and single sex spaces

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Anti-Social on R4 now on the girl guide and single sex spaces

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm

I suppose se of it boils down to it not being access to the third space that they want - it’s the single sex and validation from it

This programme is being repeated now (for anyone who did not shout at their radio enough first time around).

Shouting at the radio again. What an absolute knob the male participant is. The girls at his children’s primary school get ONE day a week to access the playground fully, away from footballs. He thinks this is wonderful. His poor daughter. She must look forward to Tuesdays every week because that is the only day that she doesn’t have to keep to the fringes of her playground. Do we reckon this guy is for real because I’m wondering if he’s a stealth GC man who is taking the proverbial out of the transgender debate? If he’s genuinely all for eroding the rights of girls, he’s a terrible dad and an extremely poor debater.

And of course the problem of you let 'your lovely, lovely friend' in but then the next male wanting to join might be a lot less 'lovely, lovely' and make the girls feel very uncomfortable but they can say no to him when they have said to their 'lovely, lovely friend'.

Yes, was Oliver really the best choice? As he just went on about the feelz.
I really didn't like the snarkiness at the beginning..
'What have you been up to since you've last been on" [to Milli]
Milli tells him.
Host make comment about her plugging her book.
So rude

'And of course the problem of you let 'your lovely, lovely friend' in but then the next male wanting to join might be a lot less 'lovely, lovely' and make the girls feel very uncomfortable'

Absolutely. We cannot go around bending the rules, and breaking the law (!), on the basis of how 'lovely' someone is perceived to be. We all know plenty of lovely men who would be no threat at all to women but that does not mean they should be able to access female only spaces

'i really didn't like the snarkiness at the beginning..
'What have you been up to since you've last been on" [to Milli]
Milli tells him.
Host make comment about her plugging her book.'

I hated that too, but loved her asserting herself along the lines of 'well you did ask what I'd been up to!' 😁

To clarify I don't think 'lovely' boys/men should be allowed in girls/women's spaces but that a group of young girls in Rainbows or Brownies may be happy to admit a trans friend they have known for years but they feel they have to say yes down the line when another boy wants to join at the guide stage but puberty has altered their views on the differences between between males and female. A hard, solid no means no girls have the shoulder the responsibility of deciding if they want boys in their group.

Children shouldn't be making these decisions. You can't allow children's wishes to override either safeguarding or the law.

Agree! The decision shouldn't be made by young girls, it should be made by adults, who, after all, have (or shoukd have!) a greater understanding of the consequences of such a decision.

At the moment the boys being asked to leave guides, or who are prevented from joining, can be told its not personal its just the rules.

If its left to individual guiding groups to decide if the boy can stay or go then it does become personal. The boy is being asked to leave/not join because the other girls have decided that he personally can't stay.

How is that a good situation for the boys or the girls.

Part of the problem is it always seems to be viewed as personal, 'my lovely, lovely friend wouldn't hurt a fly', one person's lovely friend is everyone else's stranger and we can't have rules and laws on the basis of everyone apart from the 'lovely' ones.

Presumably at least some of the trans identifying men that have been proven to be dangerous will have Mums or sisters or friends who think they are lovely just like all other categories of men who harm women. But even the 'lovely' ones lead to self exclusion by some women and trigger trauma responses in others not because the women who are strangers to them think they aren't 'lovely' but because they think (know) they are men.