Mother to challenge Girl Guides over delay in trans ban (not my words!)

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Girl Guides facing legal action for delaying trans ban

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b0be3f44a4351f37

Glad to make a mention in the article.

not one single part of me feels that males should be allowed to join the girl guides - not one. However, I cannot help thinking and feeling so much for the poor young boys who have been misled by everybody who is supposed to look after them. their parents, adults at the girl guides, teachers everybody.

they have been misled for so long and all of a sudden they’ve been slapped in the face with reality and that just doesn’t feel good when you’re talking about 10 year-old confused possibly autistic possibly all sorts, children.

It doesn't.

But the unkind part was leading them up the garden path that they could have no boundaries on their choices, that their sex could be irrelevant, and most crucially to disappear girls' needs and rights from the picture altogether while teaching that this is ok, that the needs of a boy with gender distress trumps every consideration.

The trouble is, that it's a binary choice: to avoid distress for a small number of vulnerable boys - GG says it has no idea how many - by letting girls groups and rights and access and safeguarding go on being subordinated, denied and harmed? Or to protect the girls who will make up the vast majority of members and are the intended focus of the group? The media/activist pressure at the moment is a belief that a) its better to go on with the long term harm than cause short term grief and distress, and b) this usually boils down to a fundamental and subconcious belief that a potentially distressed boy is much more important than any number of less obviously and immediately harmed girls, particularly when those harm are denied and derided by the gender movement,. And a fear by adults to create distress, and a lack of confidence in how to manage it.

It's obviously going to feel very different for a child to have this framed as some big, mean stupid law is going to hurt them by making them leave, with the subtext that girls' needs are stupid anyway, and don't matter, women and girls are bad for wanting them protected, and the child has been wronged and is expected to be deeply upset - or to have it framed as an important thing for the rights and access of girls, help to understand and empathise with what those needs and issues can be, and a focus on the new options available to a child with gender distress including mixed sex groups and what they can offer. Someone who cared about the child and not the politics would hopefully use the much more supportive and empowering second. I'm aware that's a bit pie in the sky.

The SCJ mentioned explicitly that wanting to avoid the painful experience of the few did not outweigh the needs of the many, and could not be the focus of a whole population policy - and these children are not being left without resources by any means. I would also say cynically, I suspect it will be adult men with gender identities in volunteer roles that are more the focus here than boys.

"...with a splinter group set up to oppose it and advocate trans inclusion."

Deeds not words, go for it and take all the unhinged loons who are using the girls in their troupes as pawns in their batshit ideology with you.

"The challenge will address concerns about growing activism within Girlguiding, including leaders buying pro-trans badges for units, encouraging children to attend protests and distributing unofficial materials about gender identity."

How is this about Girl Guiding? How is this meeting the aims of the organisation and in keeping with their charitable status? The sooner these loons leave and set up their mirror organisation the better. I'd donate to a crowd funder if it made them leave quicker.

This is excellent news.

But the unkind part was leading them up the garden path that they could have no boundaries on their choices, that their sex could be irrelevant, and most crucially to disappear girls' needs and rights from the picture altogether while teaching that this is ok, that the needs of a boy with gender distress trumps every consideration.

This 💯

I’ve been wondering why these boys needed to join guides in the first place. If they were in Scouts, that’s mixed-sex so they could have stayed there. Did they join guides after starting to transition? If so, why? Why the sudden interest in girl guide-type activity that they could have been doing already? Or did the parents think they should only spend time with girls now? I think this is all on the parents by the way, not the children. Did they see it as a validation of their child’s identity?

Agree, and it was very unkind to girls to be made to accept that the males in their age group were the only ones that mattered, that their wants and demands had to be met and if they didn’t applaud and cheer and welcome these males into their bedrooms, tents, showers and toilets then they were awful and mean and responsible for any actions these males then took.

“In one exchange, a guide leader suggested destroying Girlguiding materials and filming units ripping up resources or “having everything burning” around a campfire.”

Well that’s sinister

As a leader I feel that destroying the Stonewall written UMAs is a perfectly sensible thing to do. If I was the main leader then those cards would have been removed and never an option for our girls to do as they are awful.

Well let’s hope when they update their catalogue they reflect the change.

..........and they're running a children's provision, and wish to involve children in this for their own political performance of righteousness? Rather than, I don't know, running a session for children's enjoyment as the children, parents and funding was created for?

These people should not be in positions of responsibility.

It all goes back to the parents. I cannot see this springing from nowhere.

The costs of telling the truth too late
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-costs-of-telling-the-truth-too-late/

Am adding this here rather than starting a new thread.

But is anyone thinks it should have a thread of its own, please start one.

Thanks for the link, a great article, I'm glad VS is going after the adults who are responsible for this calamity.

I'd like to see more focus on them, it's time they were relentlessly reminded of the damage they are responsible for, it's time to bring it home to them how much blame lies on their shoulders.
#BeKind my arse, they should be carpet bombed with the truth. The truth hurts, and they deserve a world of pain.

Thanks for those articles. More power to the mum suing and yes, these children have been lied to. It’s the vegan cat issue all over again.

Girl Guides switch to Scouts amid trans row

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/21a8e5284cc4d747

Thanks for the link, another thing that females are losing, the destruction this ideology is wreaking is abysmal, soon they'll be nothing left that has Girls or Women in the title and women and girls will be completely erased from the our society. All so women can pander to males, because the people who are behind our erasure are all women. Go fucking figure. 🤬

It's men, not women. The women are their stooges.

There are too many accounts here of what these man have actually achieved to discount this as an AGP's fantasy of domination over women.

Resisting TERF’s and Transforming Their Organizations

"With TERF groups, many will likely try to ban trans women from membership. This can be worked around. Cis women allies can easily enter a given organization. If they work as a collective, it’s a matter of figuring out the number needed to achieve a simple majority (or whatever number is needed to overrule attempts to stop the bloc). For example, if a collective has about 25 members, then a group as small as 30 could wrest control from the bigots.

Then, when it comes time to select leaders, remove the old bigoted guard and install rational leadership. Done correctly, this is a wonderful bloodless democratic coup. It’s enabled since TERF’s are a tiny — if loud — minority of all women. Finding women willing to help replace their hate with love and inclusiveness is therefore not an impossible task."

archive.ph/K2IQ1

They have got a ready supply of "cis women allies" amongst the parents and relatives of "trans kids" and the wives and girlfriends of cross-dressing men.

Not forgetting the women who have been indoctrinated into a self-destructive, misogynistic #bekind mentality at school and in college, university and workplaces by these men. Women who have been brainwashed by "gender studies" feminism into believing that "woman" is an amorphous feeling that a man can experience, demonstrated by performance of fetishised stereotypical "femininity" ranging from simpering Pageant Princess, through Barbie-airhead Bimbo and BDSM dominatrix to doormat Stepford Wife and knit-your-own-boner Mrs Doubtfire.

It is infuriating but they are patsies for the patriarchy rather than drivers of their own and our erasure and more and more will see start to see sense as the violence from the men continues to escalate.

I agree, 20 years of gender studies and this is what it's gotten us. The women may well be patsies but they're the force that is driving it, so not blaming them is not an option, not any more.

There are plenty of women who are not brainwashed, who haven't fallen for this batshit stupidity, so seeing those who have as innocent 'victims' is just more gender bollocks.

Just because men are responsible doesn't mean that women who are pushing this ideology aren't to blame as well, stop making excuses for them, they are just as much the enemy as the 'trans' iding men.

I am not making excuses for them or saying they are innocent - I think you have misread me, probably because I did not explain myself clearly enough 🤷‍♀️

Yes maybe I did misread you

It's men, not women. The women are their stooges

It is infuriating but they are patsies for the patriarchy

Or maybe you're giving out mixed messages.

Such a sad article, but so true. Poor boys. The real villains in the story are the trusted allies, parents, therapists, guide leaders etc who have lied to young confused boys and who now need to confess to their lies and try to explain why they abused children’s trust.

Yes, I am also really sorry for the girls who have been lied to as well, and forced into situations that have pushed them to ‘be kind’, but reading VS’s article brought it home how badly those boys have been let down by the very people who should have armed them with truth not lies.

Probably a miscommunication, ie. I do not intend to excuse them nor do I regard them as innocent of causing harm when I say that they are "stooges" and "patsies".

The point I was trying to make is that they are not the drivers of what is happening.

A lot of the discussion on this seems to be focused on little boys who have been socially transitioned by their parents and placed in a girls’ organisation and the impact this decision has on them. Less so the impact on the girls involved who have had men, as well as boys, imposed on their groups while wonderful female leaders have been punished for speaking out and have subsequently left the organisation. TBH, I think Monica Sulley should be the face of the drive to get trans identified males into the Guides – and why this idea was always so very wrong. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235539/amp/Girlguides-launch-probe-trans-Commissioner-58-saucy-dominatrix-style-picture.html

I would have agreed with you whole heartedly, but if you read the Victoria Smith article from the Spectator it might make you think again about the lies that those confused boys have been told by the people who should be loving them and protecting them, not exposing them to inevitable heartache by lying. It certainly made me see that the boys in the GG story are as much the victims as the girls.