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If you think things are bad here, wait until you hear about Washington State, USA - quite astounding language in a legal judgment

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Another2Cats · 13/03/2026 16:49

This is the first time I have ever read the phrase "This is a case about swinging dicks." in a Court of Appeal judgment

(Sorry that this is very long - just skip to the bottom, if you just want to hear about the swinging dicks)

The case had to be put by way of violating religious beliefs as the laws on sex in that state are written in a way that is trans-inclusive.

So, there has been a long running case in the State of Washington which reached the Court of Appeal and the US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just yesterday delivered its latest judgment on the matter.

The case is Olympus Spa v Armstrong. Back in 2020 a trans-identifying man by the name of Haven Wilvich approached Olympus Spa (which is a woman only spa where there is nudity required in certain parts of the spa) and stated that he wished to use their services.

The spa refused him service on the ground that he was not a woman and so Wilvich complained to the Washington State Human Rights Commission (WSHRC).

The WSHRC threatened to prosecute the spa as their women only policy violated the state's anti-discrimination law.

To avoid trouble, in 2021 the spa chose to accept the WSHRC's demands. However, then in 2022 the spa owner brought a case against WSHRC (in the name of it's Director, Andreta Armstrong - hence the name of the case).

The owner claimed the settlement violated his first amendment rights to free speech and religion. He stated that his spa had lost business after some patrons had seen "male genitals" and no longer felt safe. He also stated that including trans-identifying men at his establishment went against his Christian beliefs.

It finally got to court in 2023 and the Western Washington District Court dismissed the case saying that no rights were violated.

The owner of the spa then appealed. There was a judgment given on the case back in 2025. By a two to one majority the Court of Appeal rejected the appeal and said that the Washington law forcing services to include trans-identifying men with women

"...does not impermissibly burden the Spa’s First Amendment rights to free speech, free exercise, or free association, we affirm the district court’s dismissal of the Spa’s complaint."
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There was then an application for the case to be reheard "en banc". This is when all the judges in the Court of Appeal (or a larger number) hear a case rather than just three of them.

That was also unsuccesful

However, one of these other judges gave a dissenting opinion that rather upset the other judges as he was very forthright in his language. This is just a couple of extracts as it is a long opinion:

VANDYKE, Circuit Judge, dissenting from the denial of rehearing en banc:

This is a case about swinging dicks. The Christian owners of Olympus Spa—
a traditional Korean, women-only, nude spa—understandably don’t want them in
their spa. Their female employees and female clients don’t want them in their spa either. But Washington State insists on them. And now so does the Ninth Circuit.

You may think that swinging dicks shouldn’t appear in a judicial opinion.
You’re not wrong. But as much as you might understandably be shocked and
displeased to merely encounter that phrase in this opinion, I hope we all can agree that it is far more jarring for the unsuspecting and exposed women at Olympus Spa—some as young as thirteen—to be visually assaulted by the real thing.

[...]

For women nationwide, this is not progress. This is regression. Confusion in
civil discrimination codes now compels tolerance of the very same conduct that the criminal code simultaneously penalizes. The instances of male voyeurism and indecent exposure in female spaces will continue to grow in number. See Brief of Women’s Declaration International USA as Amicus Brief in Support of Neither Party at 12–19. Sadly, the crowd of women and girls who have been victimized by men in formerly safe and private female spaces will grow as well.

Finally, I’ll respond briefly to my colleagues’ discomfort with how I’ve written this dissent. My distressed colleagues appear to have the fastidious sensibilities of a Victorian nun when it comes to mere unpleasant words in my opinion, yet exhibit the scruples of our dearly departed colleague Judge Reinhardt when it comes to the government trampling on religious liberties8 and exposing women and girls to male genitalia.9 That kind of selective outrage speaks for itself. The public deserves a court that is actually trustworthy. We should be earning that trust, not demanding it like petty tyrants

Yes, the introduction to this dissent intentionally uses indecorous language.
But that is quite literally what this case is about. Male genitalia is precisely (and
only) what the Spa, for religious reasons, objects to admitting into its female-only space. The fact that so many on our court want to pretend that this case is about anything other than swinging dicks is the very reason the shocking language is necessary. The panel majority uses slick legal arguments and deflection to studiously avoid eye contact with the actual and horrific consequences of its erroneous opinion. The “ordinary Americans” affected by the majority’s opinion don’t have that luxury. Squirm as we might, I think it’s only fair for our court to have a small taste of its own medicine.

Sometimes “dignified and civil” words are employed to mask a legal abomination. Or, to put it in vernacular perhaps more palatable to my colleagues’ Victorian sensibilities: “In law, what plea so tainted and corrupt, / But, being seasoned with a gracious voice, / Obscures the show of evil?”10

Sometimes coarse and ugly words bear the truth.11 I coarsely but respectfully
dissent from our court’s willingness to leave this travesty in place

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The 2025 judgment as a pdf is here:

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2025/05/29/23-4031.pdf

and the latest judgment that I have quoted from is here:

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2026/03/12/23-4031.pdf

There really is just a whole world of difference between the legal landscape here and in the USA.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2025/05/29/23-4031.pdf

OP posts:
Rightsraptor · 13/03/2026 17:11

I think I love that judge.

This particularly stood out for me:
'Confusion in civil discrimination codes now compels tolerance of the very same conduct that the criminal code simultaneously penalizes'.

And the bit about the fastidiousness of a Victorian nun, of course. Love that bit.

singthing · 13/03/2026 17:24

Glorious! My particular favourite is this very evocative line:

"The panel majority uses slick legal arguments and deflection to studiously avoid eye contact with the actual and horrific consequences of its erroneous opinion."

DrBlackbird · 13/03/2026 17:32

I looked him up and read his Wikipedia entry, the mods clearly don’t like him portraying him as ‘anti LGBT’ though I think it’s likely that’s because he seems to believe in sex as a biological reality. He is religious and they don’t like him for that either. However, he was an engineer first before Harvard law and you can’t deny he’s not bright. I appreciate the clarity of his language and his reasoning. I bet the ‘progressive’ judges hate him.

nauticant · 13/03/2026 17:41

This shows how the UK Supreme Court have been ahead of the game, for example paragraph 221 of FWS:

Moreover, women living in the male gender could also be excluded under paragraph 28 without this amounting to gender reassignment discrimination. This might be considered proportionate where reasonable objection is taken to their presence, for example, because the gender reassignment process has given them a masculine appearance or attributes to which reasonable objection might be taken in the context of the women-only service being provided.

stickygotstuck · 13/03/2026 17:44

Spot on, this judge Vandyke. Clear language is the only thing that'll save us.

My favourite:

The fact that so many on our court want to pretend that this case is about anything other than swinging dicks is the very reason the shocking language is necessary.

CliantheLang · 13/03/2026 18:02

Nice to see WDI getting some recognition.

PriOn1 · 13/03/2026 18:03

Good man! I hope that his language choices mean this will make the news.

What an utterly ludicrous situation though. The spa is losing the customers it was created for because of selfish, dick-swinging men.

The US has gone collectively insane.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 18:08

Thanks for posting this.

Really good to read.

And thanks for an OP that is so well thought and informative - and the bonus of now having many quotable quotes!

DragonasaurusLovesJudgeVandyke · 13/03/2026 18:19

Thankyou Judge Vandyke <tries on new username> and thankyou Another2Cats for posting

theilltemperedcoarsedissenter · 13/03/2026 18:24

Hear, hear!

HildegardP · 13/03/2026 19:33

An entertaining bit of grandstanding but he knows the judgment's in conformity with the law. The law is, of course, an abject ass in this case. I don't understand why the claimant's lawyers tried the religious argument because that's been pretty well tied down by the SC elsewhere, but the rest of the case might make it to the SC. AFAICS, Bostock really doesn't cover this.

Reddit lawyers are already soothing themselves in anticipation of the attempt, asserting that it's all down to conservative orgs engaged in strategic litigation. Couldn't possibly be a Korean spa owner trying to save his business & protect female clients, nah, not possible. 🙄

HildegardP · 13/03/2026 19:34

PriOn1 · 13/03/2026 18:03

Good man! I hope that his language choices mean this will make the news.

What an utterly ludicrous situation though. The spa is losing the customers it was created for because of selfish, dick-swinging men.

The US has gone collectively insane.

The media's pearls are being widely clutched.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 13/03/2026 19:41

CliantheLang · 13/03/2026 18:02

Nice to see WDI getting some recognition.

It’s brilliantly clear. And reminds me of the various school board meetings where parents read passages from books available to their children in the school library or being taught in class and the board spectacularly pretend to miss the point and get all pearl clutch-y and listening to graphic descriptions anal sex.

ETA - sorry wrong post quoted, should have quoted @stickygotstuck

borntobequiet · 13/03/2026 19:44

Well done that judge.

damelza · 13/03/2026 19:47

I thought the Trump Administration cleared the decks of all this shite. Or is it just State dependent, WS being one of the woke ones I suppose.

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2026 19:48

Thanks, OP, for all the detailed info. Fantastic speech!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/03/2026 20:06

Brilliant, The Swinging Dick Descent, with poetry ❤️

what plea so tainted and corrupt,
But, being seasoned with a gracious voice,
Obscures the show of evil?

I feel for the owner of the spa, and really hate the selfish, self centred fake women that's caused all this trouble, what an arrogant s**thead. 🤬

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/03/2026 20:23

Amazing! Well done that judge.

NotBadConsidering · 13/03/2026 20:39

what the Spa, for religious reasons, objects to admitting into its female-only space.

Once again in America, it’s concerning that “religious reasons” is the only argument it seems to be worth putting forward. To me this suggests no one thinks “because they’re men” is legally enough, which means an atheist spa wouldn’t have anything to use legally.

usedtobeaylis · 13/03/2026 20:44

Rightsraptor · 13/03/2026 17:11

I think I love that judge.

This particularly stood out for me:
'Confusion in civil discrimination codes now compels tolerance of the very same conduct that the criminal code simultaneously penalizes'.

And the bit about the fastidiousness of a Victorian nun, of course. Love that bit.

Absolutely superb, honed right in on the contradiction.

HildegardP · 13/03/2026 20:46

@NotBadConsidering If it's any consolation, there was a second strand to the case that might fly at the Supreme Court but it's a hefty "might".

NotNatacha · 13/03/2026 21:02

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/03/2026 20:06

Brilliant, The Swinging Dick Descent, with poetry ❤️

what plea so tainted and corrupt,
But, being seasoned with a gracious voice,
Obscures the show of evil?

I feel for the owner of the spa, and really hate the selfish, self centred fake women that's caused all this trouble, what an arrogant s**thead. 🤬

I agree.

The law is all about precedent.

In case anyone else has to Google it, as I had to, the speech is from The Merchant of Venice. Act 3, scene 2.

It is a wonderful dissenting judgement. Thank you, @Another2Cats , for drawing my attention to it, and your excellent and easily understood summary of what led up to it.

BuckyBuckyBucky · 13/03/2026 21:56

NotBadConsidering · 13/03/2026 20:39

what the Spa, for religious reasons, objects to admitting into its female-only space.

Once again in America, it’s concerning that “religious reasons” is the only argument it seems to be worth putting forward. To me this suggests no one thinks “because they’re men” is legally enough, which means an atheist spa wouldn’t have anything to use legally.

I agree with you I don’t really understand the ‘religious reasons’ behind the case - the spa is not a ‘Christian Spa’ as such, it’s a nude Korean Spa for women owned by a Christian man.

And this man says it’s against his religious beliefs to admit men to his spa. Why religious beliefs? Which bit of the Bible was he relying on there? Maybe that’s where the appeal fell down.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 22:02

I think they are using Christian in the cultural sense. ie as some people will say the culturally the UK is Christian, and so informs our standards and practices.

BuckyBuckyBucky · 13/03/2026 22:03

SternJoyousBeev2 · 13/03/2026 19:41

It’s brilliantly clear. And reminds me of the various school board meetings where parents read passages from books available to their children in the school library or being taught in class and the board spectacularly pretend to miss the point and get all pearl clutch-y and listening to graphic descriptions anal sex.

ETA - sorry wrong post quoted, should have quoted @stickygotstuck

Edited

Is there a typo sorry, who was getting pearl clutch-y? And were there actual graphic depictions of anal sex in children’s school library books like actual erotic fiction in a school, or do you mean in sex education books? Sorry I might be tired and not getting it!