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New survey reveals Gen Z men think wives should be subservient to their husbands

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Imnobody4 · 06/03/2026 11:33

A survey for International Womens' Day doesn't reflect well on Gen Z men.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/abf84a26-56c5-4ec3-a876-e714f1e3ddbd?shareToken=b708d1a9eb71c5dce5bd02eda0745f9b

But a new global study of 23,000 people conducted by Ipsos and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership at King’s Business School, King’s College London, has found that Gen Z men and women are in fact the most divided generation when it comes to gender equality. Some 31 per cent of Gen Z men agree that a wife should always obey her husband, and 33 per cent think that a husband should have the final say on an important decision.

A staggering 59 per cent of Gen Z men say that they are expected to do too much to support gender equality; 57 per cent think that in promoting gender equality we are now discriminating against men.

Link to the report
Mind the Gaps: Global Attitudes Toward Gender Equality in 2026 | Ipsos https://share.google/aI1C0zkVKy0HO5sqM

Why so many men my age want women to obey them

A third of Gen Z men think a wife should be subservient to her husband, according to a new study. We’re in trouble, lads, says Zak Asgard, 26; where on earth are these trad men coming from, asks Olivia Petter

https://www.thetimes.com/article/abf84a26-56c5-4ec3-a876-e714f1e3ddbd?shareToken=b708d1a9eb71c5dce5bd02eda0745f9b

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Meadowfinch · 06/03/2026 11:38

Bless them. No wonder the divorce rate is what it is.

I think my ds is lucky to have been raised by a single mum. He is under no illusions at all of what is fair and expected of him. If he marries and has absurd expectations of his wife, I'll be firmly on her side, not his, and he knows it. 😁

Loveandlive · 06/03/2026 11:38

I think it was ever thus, men have always thought women should serve them, what is different now is that most women certainly in Western Europe no longer agree with this.

I grew up constantly being subtlety degraded and put in my position by my own father and my mother too as she cemented her own position in the family through misogyny at the expense of my sister and me. This is nothing new. What I find sadder is the narrative being put out online by trad wives and trad women that this serves women. But women like my own mother have existed and will continue to exist forever too.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 11:40

It is deeply depressing but sadly not surprising to me. My dd is Gen Z and has a pretty low opinion of many of the young men of her age - not all, she has some wonderful male friends and a very lovely boyfriend who wouldn't dream of demanding that she should obey him. But she has been telling me since she was around 14/15 about the horrific levels of misogyny amongst boys within her age group.

I don't know what we can do about it tbh. Where has this even come from?

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:41

Did anyone notice that they didn't say which country the participants were from, only that it was "global"? Given the results I think we can all guess which region/culture some of the people may be coming from. In left wing circles though you can't say it.

fridayyay4 · 06/03/2026 11:44

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:41

Did anyone notice that they didn't say which country the participants were from, only that it was "global"? Given the results I think we can all guess which region/culture some of the people may be coming from. In left wing circles though you can't say it.

Exactly what I was thinking. And actually, if it is a global study I would have thought the numbers would be even higher. Some people are oblivious to how patriarchal some countries in the world are, and it’s not just the men who think the men should be in charge. Many women agree with it too.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 11:44

Meadowfinch · 06/03/2026 11:38

Bless them. No wonder the divorce rate is what it is.

I think my ds is lucky to have been raised by a single mum. He is under no illusions at all of what is fair and expected of him. If he marries and has absurd expectations of his wife, I'll be firmly on her side, not his, and he knows it. 😁

My dd and I have always been convinced that her boyfriend's mum would be 100% on dd's side if the lovely bf was ever unreasonable. Though to be fair, I think his dad would too.

I do think a lot of it must come down to upbringing.

RedToothBrush · 06/03/2026 11:45

Generation Incel are shock horror, Incels.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 11:46

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:41

Did anyone notice that they didn't say which country the participants were from, only that it was "global"? Given the results I think we can all guess which region/culture some of the people may be coming from. In left wing circles though you can't say it.

You're in denial if you think these attitudes aren't prevalent in young white British men.

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:48

You're in denial if you think these attitudes aren't prevalent in young white British men.

I didn't make any comment about British people. I live in Australia

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 11:49

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:48

You're in denial if you think these attitudes aren't prevalent in young white British men.

I didn't make any comment about British people. I live in Australia

The point stands that this isn't just about men from one region/culture.

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:51

The point stands that this isn't just about men from one region/culture.

No but some cultures are pretty renowned for being patriarchal/ bacķwards when it comes to gender equality. We should be allowed to call it out

Irkeddancer · 06/03/2026 12:14

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:51

The point stands that this isn't just about men from one region/culture.

No but some cultures are pretty renowned for being patriarchal/ bacķwards when it comes to gender equality. We should be allowed to call it out

As PP pointed out though, British and Australian culture is also pretty renowned for this and it's delusional to think they aren't and focus only on one culture.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 12:14

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:51

The point stands that this isn't just about men from one region/culture.

No but some cultures are pretty renowned for being patriarchal/ bacķwards when it comes to gender equality. We should be allowed to call it out

Nobody is stopping you from calling anything out, but if you choose to focus on misogyny within one particular group while merrily ignoring misogyny in other groups, then people will draw their own conclusions about your motivations in doing so.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/03/2026 12:14

I wonder what the survey of generation z women showed they thought of this?

It's like that meme currently circulating, with a quote from someone saying: if women don't want to die alone, they are going to have to lower their standards about men.

And a woman responding: Ok, I guess I'll just die alone then. In my clean house, with my career, enjoying my income, my pets and my friends, doing what I most enjoy.

I'm generation X and it's interesting to me how many of the women in my year at school have gone on to stay single. Or if they married, it was a short marriage, after which they have stayed single, and gone on raising their children.

oviraptor21 · 06/03/2026 12:16

Imnobody4 · 06/03/2026 11:33

A survey for International Womens' Day doesn't reflect well on Gen Z men.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/abf84a26-56c5-4ec3-a876-e714f1e3ddbd?shareToken=b708d1a9eb71c5dce5bd02eda0745f9b

But a new global study of 23,000 people conducted by Ipsos and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership at King’s Business School, King’s College London, has found that Gen Z men and women are in fact the most divided generation when it comes to gender equality. Some 31 per cent of Gen Z men agree that a wife should always obey her husband, and 33 per cent think that a husband should have the final say on an important decision.

A staggering 59 per cent of Gen Z men say that they are expected to do too much to support gender equality; 57 per cent think that in promoting gender equality we are now discriminating against men.

Link to the report
Mind the Gaps: Global Attitudes Toward Gender Equality in 2026 | Ipsos https://share.google/aI1C0zkVKy0HO5sqM

Yep - and this is why the thread of a few days ago is close to the mark - yes, pretty much AMALT. Men do think they are superior by and large and men do think of chores etc as women's work.

FlimsyMimsy · 06/03/2026 12:18

Nearly 36 year old millennial with a 1996 born GenZ (just?) brother, married last year and doesn't think that way thank God. Our parents would go nuts if he was like that.

BoxingHare · 06/03/2026 12:19

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/03/2026 11:40

It is deeply depressing but sadly not surprising to me. My dd is Gen Z and has a pretty low opinion of many of the young men of her age - not all, she has some wonderful male friends and a very lovely boyfriend who wouldn't dream of demanding that she should obey him. But she has been telling me since she was around 14/15 about the horrific levels of misogyny amongst boys within her age group.

I don't know what we can do about it tbh. Where has this even come from?

Andrew Tate and his ilk in the "manosphere"

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 12:20

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:41

Did anyone notice that they didn't say which country the participants were from, only that it was "global"? Given the results I think we can all guess which region/culture some of the people may be coming from. In left wing circles though you can't say it.

I haven't read the 2026 report, but the 2025 report breaks some of the results down by location:
Generation Z - Ipsos Generations Report 2025
You might find that helpful.

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 12:29

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 12:20

I haven't read the 2026 report, but the 2025 report breaks some of the results down by location:
Generation Z - Ipsos Generations Report 2025
You might find that helpful.

For instance, the report shows that the 'Global Average' response to
"Men are being expected to do too much to support equality"

was 60% of 'Gen Z' men, as opposed to 44% of 'Baby Boomer' men.

For Europe [note not EU so probably includes UK], so excluding countries you say cannot be mentioned in left wing circles:

55% of 'Gen Z men', as opposed to 38% of 'Baby Boomer' men
agreed that
"Men are being expected to do too much to support equality" .

A closer look at the Ipsos report will probably provide more details on methodology.

extraordinaryish · 06/03/2026 12:38

It’s because other men go along with it.

Boys grow up seeing women abused, raped, murdered, degraded, used for sex, the butt of jokes and it’s seen as absolutely normal to them so they accept it as what men are like to women.
We can’t change this only men can but we can stop respecting men and if women treated men badly and other women accepted it was the way it should be it would become normal but we won’t because we know other women would call us out on our behaviour.

Men have each others backs and women also have men’s backs.

fridayyay4 · 06/03/2026 12:52

Irkeddancer · 06/03/2026 12:14

As PP pointed out though, British and Australian culture is also pretty renowned for this and it's delusional to think they aren't and focus only on one culture.

Of course misogyny still exists in every country and culture. But some countries literally still have male guardianship laws. Others have laws which mean women inherit less, their evidence is worth half a man’s in court and it’s much harder to divorce (than it is for the man). It’s no surprise many people from countries who have those laws are going to think men should have the overriding say.

Irkeddancer · 06/03/2026 13:18

fridayyay4 · 06/03/2026 12:52

Of course misogyny still exists in every country and culture. But some countries literally still have male guardianship laws. Others have laws which mean women inherit less, their evidence is worth half a man’s in court and it’s much harder to divorce (than it is for the man). It’s no surprise many people from countries who have those laws are going to think men should have the overriding say.

Edited

Yeah I know I just don't think blanket statements about laws in countries that span different cultures and religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) referred to as "one culture" is helpful. While we may not have some of these same laws, we still have horrific levels of misogyny and VAWG despite the law supposedly allowing us to be equal. There's a much more nuanced argument to be had about patriarchy globally that wasn't present in PPs post.

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 13:25

Irkeddancer · 06/03/2026 13:18

Yeah I know I just don't think blanket statements about laws in countries that span different cultures and religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) referred to as "one culture" is helpful. While we may not have some of these same laws, we still have horrific levels of misogyny and VAWG despite the law supposedly allowing us to be equal. There's a much more nuanced argument to be had about patriarchy globally that wasn't present in PPs post.

I don't live in a patriarchal country, but I do ķnow there are many patriarchal countries out there and I thinķ it is oķto acķowledge it. I never said it was one culture nor one religion (although I do thinķ some religions and cultures are more sexist than others)

Irkeddancer · 06/03/2026 13:34

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 13:25

I don't live in a patriarchal country, but I do ķnow there are many patriarchal countries out there and I thinķ it is oķto acķowledge it. I never said it was one culture nor one religion (although I do thinķ some religions and cultures are more sexist than others)

Australia still has a gender pay gap,.it still has rampant male violence against women and girls that isn't addressed properly, police give sexist advice for women to avoid parks after a woman's murder rather than highlighting the real problem which is male violence, and women are still woefully underrepresented in business...but sure there's no patriarchy in Australia.

BackToLurk · 06/03/2026 13:34

PeachyDaisy · 06/03/2026 11:41

Did anyone notice that they didn't say which country the participants were from, only that it was "global"? Given the results I think we can all guess which region/culture some of the people may be coming from. In left wing circles though you can't say it.

If only there were some way of finding out which countries they were.

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