Two men can be in a "lesbian" relationship - Equality Network Scotland

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Trans activists have been accused of making an “offensive” claim that two men can form a lesbian couple.

Feminist campaigners hit out after Equality Network wrote to MSPs objecting to a proposed amendment to hate crime laws.

The move would add “sex” as a protected characteristic. The LGBTI group said they had “concerns” over the definition being clarified as “biological sex at birth” — to bring Scots Law into line with last year’s UK Supreme Court ruling.

Equality Network and its Scottish Trans project insisted there were no “powers” to “retrospectively change the definition of sexual orientation”.

They added it would be “different to the definition understood by most LGBTQ+ people” as well as what was considered when the Hate Crime Act and Public Order (Scotland) was passed in 2021.

But that stance was ridiculed in a reply from For Women Scotland, who won the landmark court case over the Equality Act 2010.

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Full article https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15983751/scots-trans-activists-slam-two-men-lesbian-claim/

(If any one has a link to the FWS letter could you post it. I couldn't find it.)

I don't know why start wanting the labels, but it very quickly becomes wanting them simply to spit in the eye of people who say they shouldn't. They put so much self worth into winning that any line women draw is felt as an unbearable insult to their ego.

Thanks for the clarification but isn’t this just the same as TW who are demanding to be recognised as women trying to gain access to any female-only space? I’m wondering why they’re now demanding for some of them to be seen as lesbians specifically, rather than what they’ve been going on about all along..to be recognised as women?

I'd love for this to just be a joke, but I seem to remember an article in Diva a few years back that was actually an instruction manual for lesbians on how to perform that very activity. Just goes to show that there is nothing so batshit perverted and misogynistic that this ideology won't try to gaslight us into accepting.

"It's funny... but it's not" could be a motto for the whole shebang.

Whaaaat?! I used to read Diva magazine back in the day, long before all this trans stuff became mainstream, I’d never have guessed they’d jump on the bandwagon, I thought they’d remain fiercely protective of lesbian (as in bio women only) rights (and then probably, sadly fade away into obscurity) but I guess money was more important to them than integrity and they’ve had to diversify in order to satisfy the desires of men. How sad. Don’t suppose you have a link to that article?

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately!) I haven't, @Seymorbutts. I might be misremembering ( I sort of hope I am, actually), but I don't think so. I'd already started to peak at that point; it was the Cotton Ceiling nonsense that did it for me. As a non social media woman I am ashamed to say I managed to miss this shit for quite a long time, but that article certainly helped to push me over the edge into full blown screaming outrage.

They want to call themselves lesbians because it is something that properly belongs only to women. That is something that TRAs will not allow - anything that is women-only must be appropriated and marked as male territory - The Tomcat Effect🙄
Obviously 'lesbian' as a label is as 'women only' as you can get, so it's going to be a high-value target for Tomcatting.

Apologies to literal tomcats, I know you are just being your authentic selves when you mark your territory

I'm not on social media either, one of the things that outraged me was that BBC article about young lesbians being coerced into having to have relationships with men, I couldn't believe it at the time when I read it. That led me to the phrase "cotton ceiling" and I could just see the smug, self satisfied misogynistic men talking about it and I thought, ugh this is just like those guys who used to try and bait lesbians at clubs to have sex with them. I showed that BBC article to my lesbian friends and they were horrified. I think it just was a slow creep that a lot weren't really aware of what was happening until it was then speaking out, especially in the Scottish scene, got you "cancelled". All coincided with Nicola's grr bill too. Seeing those men in the gallery clapping when it went through and the politicians giving them a standing ovation on BBC Scotland news, I couldn't believe it. They all looked so obviously like men, and not very pleasant ones at that.

There is something of a crossover though, isn't there, @MarieDeGournay? Back in the dim and distant past, when the world was young and I still had a waist I used to work in a Lesbian pub. It seemed like the very first thing that the male clientele (who were leftover from before the new lesbian landladies bought the place) did when the Gents toilets (they were allowed in the Front Bar) went offline and they had to use the Ladies, was to piss (and worse) all up the walls. All tomcats might do it, but they're much more likely to if they can manage to redefine it as a political act..

All I can say is, thank heavens for the Supreme Court, FWS and the lesbian intervenors. And the opposite for Stonewall and all of these LGB groups who push same gender attraction. Women and LGBs were just starting to get rights when this lot came along and trampled all over them. I would say I hope the Scottish Government will see sense, but it’s the Scottish Government so not much hope there. At least this is happening in daylight.

There will be a discussion about the Supreme Court ruling at the LGB Alliance Conference and am sure all of them will be having a good laugh at Scotland's Equality Network, and a sense of horror that they are pushing this gross agenda.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5498562-lgb-alliance-conference-2026-18-april-2026-london

Posting this here as it sort of is part of this mentality But California not Scotland!

"this lesbian has had plenty of girlfriends with penises"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15635547/california-professor-lesbian-girlfriends-penises.html

In a late night vote, tacked on to the end of the debate on the assisted dying bill, MSPs voted to add sex (with a biological definition) to the Hate Crime Act.

For the motion: 110, against: 7, and 1 abstention

Cab Sec Angela Constance speaking to the motion to add sex, from about 22.12.20 here: https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/parliamentary-bureau-motions-march-11-2026

Oh, that's interesting.

Can’t they just say they’re trans women in a same sex relationship? Why lesbians? They clearly aren’t!

Because it excites them.

These men LOVE visiting Málaga and calling themselves lesbians is part of that fetish.

Does that mean misogyny is now a Hate Crime in Scotland, the fact she was racing to fit all in in the time she had left baffled me I'm afraid.
The fact that she called it the 'first gender law' worries me, because that's all the Senedd care about, being 'first' to do something.

Men just want what we have and think they can do it better.
It's all a thrill

Maggie Chapman's anger was simmering under the surface there; she barely contained it! She clearly doesn't care about women and girls. Glaring at the speakers, like a stroppy teen being told no.
For her, always about the trans. Awful

Men just want what we have and think they can do it better.

See any one of those posts where some trans claims to be a better woman than women. "You're just jealous because your husbands fancy us more" type nonsense. I can't remember if it was IW who said something along the lines of "trans women are better than cis women because they put more effort in".
All of it self delusional cope. Narcissistic self supply.

To address the original post. I'm gonna get some pushback for this, and that's fine, push away. I am in favour of two men being in a "lesbian" relationship because that's two potential troublemakers taking each other out of the picture instead of bothering literal lesbians. I'll take the pragmatism even though it comes at the cost of eroded language. At this point our language has been badly butchered already. What two guys want to do to each other in private I care not one hoot about. I do however care when those two blokes start demading entry into female only spaces, and hope The Supreme Court's FWS vs Scottish Government ruling provides legal protections to those female spaces goiing forwards.
Come to think of it, I've not seen any Malaga enjoyers trying to sue to get into female spaces for a while, so maybe it is having a positive effect.

A lesbian friend of mine was recently on a lesbian speed dating thing in a pub in Dublin and there was a trans-identified man (or lesbian as he'd call himself) in the mix of potential dates. I was horrified that this was allowed happen, but not totally surprised. I still don't get why it didn't really bother her! I questioned her and said if you were attracted to him wouldn't that make you straight? No answer. She just blanks me when I say anything like that as if I'm the unreasonable one.

I own 1 scarf which was given as a present. Hate the bloody things, don't really like anything round my neck and scarves are too much like a noose!