Predictions for when Bridget Phillipson will lay the EHRC code of practice before parliament (with poll)

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What do you think? Will it ever happen?

My prediction is between September and December. I think there will have to be more legal action and employers kicking up a fuss about not having clear guidance.

She won't do it. I reckon we will have to wait for a cabinet reshuffle.

yy I agree. She will not do this.

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Didn't she finally release the school guidance, albeit with amendments? So I think she'll let that go down then release it after the local elections, possibly with amendments.

That would be what, July if Starmer quits right after the May elections?

She can't amend the EHRC guidance though. She can send it back - and clearly say WHY she is sending it back, and they MAY send back an update.

Or she can accept it. What she can't do is sit on it forever.

If there is a reshuffle, we may end up with someone worse...

Given BP's background, and the fact that she has said previously that she "gets it", she is still beholden to the TRAs in the Labour Party.

And if it gets sent back, how can the EHRC say that the law says something it doesn't?

It seems to me that the only strategy available to BP is to delay, but the longer she does that, the harder it becomes to justify.

Very much. the only strategy is delay, in the vain hope somethign might change? It won't, it can't. They are running out of road.

Maybe if Reform do well in Gorton the cabinet will be more inclined to push it through. If the Greens do well, maybe not.

I think this.

v clear single sex spaces within. I also detect there’s more pressure to get the send stuff out first. (The leak this week suggests a headache though potentially v useful idea for sendcos if you teach end of primary.) there was a rumour that’s coming out next week.

how often do ministers take on women and equalities AND education?

I keep saying this, sorry for the broken record but she's sitting on the SEND Reform white paper as well.

The woman has a problem. The point of these docs is to let them go and do the consulting or to do the implementing. Not sit on them while leaking bits and getting everyone in more and more of a state.

She needs to go, but frankly the whole bloody government does, this incarnation of Labour couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery.

aghh I need to get my report into her. I keep finding stuff to add and not taking enough stuff out. It’s War and Peace.

Whilst going through my research, I forgot about this info. I had been looking at what schools were doing to try and tackle mixed sex private toilet cubicles. This is from America (hence the language) but they sell to the U.K. It’s hardly a glowing endorsement of mixed sex loos:

Smart Sensor Technology Is Keeping Single-Use Bathrooms in Schools Secure
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Single-use restrooms in schools are becoming prime real estate for students to vape, vandalize, and more due to the lack of monitoring and witnesses in these restrooms. The shift of schools switching to single-use or gender-neutral restrooms further complicates the security of the school restrooms. This often leads to school restrooms being used for prohibited activities, such as loitering, bullying and aggression, unpermitted vaping, and even as extreme as drug usage and sexual activity. Devices like the HALO Smart Sensor are designed to help keep all school bathrooms safe through:

• Vape and THC detection
• Aggression and vandalism detection
• Motion and occupancy detection
• Alerts for Keywords, Panic Buttons and Occupancy counts
• Keeping bathrooms secure while also protecting the privacy of individuals

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I have researched these systems in the U.K.
Understandably pupils don’t want tech monitoring their sounds or being heat mapped inside the toilet cubicle and feel creeped out by it. There’s also misuse, of course. So much so, the systems are often turned off. But this is the kind of thing that will have to happen in mixed sex toilets in society.

You could just have single sex toilets within a single sex environment. You could then have gaps below and above the door and partitions. Amongst the many (life saving for certain disabilities, medical emergencies) advantages of this is there’s a chance a person will hand you loo paper if yours has run out which the alarm can’t do.

Debating whether to keep the alarm bit in. What do people think? There’s quite a few uk schools using it now in their private mixed sex cubicles (with outer, shared mix sex handbasins). I think they are a good example illustration of what will go on in society as children have already been the guinea pigs to the designs transactivists think is the solution.

Realistically, alarms will be pulled constantly. Fire alarms already have this issue. I dont know what the solutions are, I'm afraid.

The Human Paperweight needs to get off her arse , grow a back bone and present the guidance

Alternatively children would simply avoid the monitored toilets like the plague.

Is there a time limit at the end of which BP must take action on the guidance? If there is, that would be my guess, otherwise never.

I voted Never, meaning she will cover her shame by sending it back for amendment, then crow about how pragmatically it's all been sorted out, now we've got rid of that witch Falkner.

Possible amendments:

If a service provider provides facilities for the exclusive use of woman and transwomen only, men could sue for direct sex-discrimination, but the outcome will be fact-dependent: seek legal advice.

If a service provider fails to provide facilities for the exclusive use of woman only, women could sue for indirect sex-discrimination, but the outcome will be fact-dependent: seek legal advice.

'Woman' should of course read 'women'

Completely agree. There’s the massive cost of subscription and maintaining them. UK schools say particularly at exams times they turn the alarms off as they are so disruptive. @Igmum Yes there’s some reports that pupils avoid. They worry it’s a visual sensor too.

Simpler design is better which doesn’t rely on technology to try and fix the disadvantages of private enclosed cubicle design.

If I could add one more type of provision it would be accessible toilets within single sex provision. I have found that the benefits of single sex provision are so great that people needing accessible toilets could have healthier and safer provision too.

There will always be a need for mixed sex accessible but other mixed sex cubicles and rooms should be reduced as much as possible. They are always private by design and legislation. Unfortunately that’s where a lot of people and me differ.

Off to work now…

I thought that they could provide women and transwomen option but only if they had provided a women only facility and men could sue for indirect discrimination but it would depend on the facts. Not providing a women only space is not an option.

I voted Never, she sat on it for 10 months, I see no reason why she wouldn't sit on it for 10 years, the only reason she hasn't officially bin it is because there's no process that would allow her to do that.

This government really is abysmal.

Wow. That shows that they absolutely know what is going on in those loos. Schools sacrificing children to service an adult belief system that the vast majority of the public don't even subscribe to.