Good Law Project ‘sells hope on trans rights despite court defeats’

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What took them so long to realize this:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/95e0f1d1-45ae-4b04-8792-6e66039a0d0c?shareToken=e5fba512da00c4cc81938799067ac5b2

It needed saying but the article could have been a lot clearer.

Waiting with interest to see when someone on trans Reddit notices. Although I doubt most of them read the Times.

I had a look at Reddit to see if anyone had posted it too. 🦗 🦗🦗

But some of them read FWR.
To any of our Reddit monitors: help yourself to the sharetoken. I'm happy to generate another one if required.

The word 'hope' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in the GLP's communications these days.

Perhaps the work of the Campaigns and Communications Manager they were advertising for last April, salary £51,500 p.a. Or the Head of Content and Editorial, post advertised in July last year, salary £68,000 – £75,000.

Hasn’t Jolyon mentioned it on his BlueSky? They might see that.

There are some good comments in the article from whichever forum the Times was reading. Including the phrase "turd polisher". Which sums things up nicely.

Bit of a tricky one for Jols really.

If he were to try to refute any of what was said in the article he might draw it to the attention of more people.

one commenter said: “They have great conviction and I don’t doubt their support of trans people, but I’m not sure they’re very good lawyers.”

This puzzles me. I know that there are trans people who are clever and well educated, so the same must apply to their lawyers. Yet, the Kemp judgment, for instance, was such a dog's breakfast that I genuinely felt that there might even be people on this board who could have written a better one, coming to the same conclusion (playing devil's advocate, obviously).

Why? Is it that belief in transgenderism corrupts the logic circuits?

Or is it that they unconsciously stop themselves from using certain goodish legal arguments because they fall outside the paradigm, and thus reveal what they're after in stark terms likely to make the general public go "ewww!".

Instead they just lie and call people bigots. Admittedly, they shouldn't get what they want. But they deserve an apology from a legislature which promised them something that's impossible to deliver.

There'll never be a meeting of minds. Best outcome is it's treated as a protected belief. They won't like that either.

From the article:
However, others defended the organisation and said: “I do not see a single other organisation actually challenging any of this at court. They’re taking on the claims, and they’re staking their reputation on it.”

Reputation? GLP's reputation is very poor. That's not a lot to stake.

theilltemperedamateur Why? Is it that belief in transgenderism corrupts the logic circuits?

I think it's because while it's grand to say #bekind and 'true selves' and 'the most marginalised', when it comes down to facts - which the law deals in - there's no getting away from the fact that men cannot become women and vice versa.

The Supreme Court said that even a GRC can't make that truth untrue.

If it is an accepted fact that sex is binary and immutable, it must be difficult for the likes of GLP to make arguments that are based on a denial of that fact.
They keep trying, but they keep losing.

Well done The Times and the 30 signatures to that letter to Phillipson. Someone has to do some responsible dealing with the misinformation, and I'm very glad to see it, it is certainly not 'kind' to keep allowing it to flow and absolute confusion to be continued, but this govt just don't seem to be able to make decisions or see oncoming trainwrecks.

I saw this article shared on FB, and some of the replies made me pause to think.

A significant number of people genuinely and fervently believe that rights HAVE been curtailed.

Whether that is just surface level analysis of "could do this, no longer can" (the incorrect belief from the start notwithstanding)

and/or a stereotypically male aggression reaction at being told "no" - or something else entirely) matters not much.

There was an enlightening sub-thread on there where someone was challenged to name the exact rights that had been lost and he seemed to sincerely believe he had "lost" the right to "live as a woman", despite that being entirely meaningless and undefined to start with. It just did not compute for him that such a nebulous idea was never a "right" and even if it was, it wasn't "taken away" anyway. Having been force-fed a lie for so long, and then having bad actors continue to push untruths as part of their grift, I almost felt sorry for him. Almost.

"A government spokesman said: “We have always been at war with Eastasia supported the protection of single-sex spaces based on biological sex and expect everyone to uphold the law and follow the clarity that the Supreme Court ruling provides."

I think this is an important point. There seems to be a knock-on effect of all the social progression in the 20th and early 21st century. People genuinely do not understand what a "right" is, and often get confused between "privlidge and entitlement".

It does however make some sense that if you believe- and been supported in that belief- that you have a right "to live as a woman" then it would be logical to be able use all things that women use including womens spaces.

What some of the TGW haven't thought about is why it is those specific spaces are set up for women in the first place and not spaces like cafes or libraries. They haven't empathised with women, they just want one or two parts of being a women that they feel they can't access or express as men.

I have a strong suspicion that alot of people who are TGW and persist in using female single sex spaces have high levels of narcissim. As they lack the ability to empathise they only have manipulation- inclusive of weaponising what they "vulnerability"- to get what they think are their rights. This sadly will be to the detriment of all trans-people and I think has even now tarnished the LGB community as well.

I also suspect that they are the type of people who are incredibly hard as a leader to shut down. The more malignant side of the trans-rights etc.. are like the hydra the more chop, the more heads will grow. The UK Supreme Court did the right thing but now we have bonkers discourse including the accepted testimony in court of a male doctor saying that he is a biological woman because he is "a woman and is a biological being".

Gotta keep the grift going …

That post is worded so disgustingly disingenuously. Implies that this article calls Trump a feminist rather than the one Janice Turner wrote which is the one he’s slyly referring to, and omits the fact that in that article JT was remarking on the irony of him protecting women’s spaces. She’s definitely not a Trump fan.

This reddit thread gives another good insight into the psyche. They have zero concept of getting off their own backsides to put the legwork in.

Multiple comments saying nobody is helping them, nobody is standing up for them, nobody is raising accurate legal challenges etc...

(They are very quick to denounce GLP and Stonewall though, lovely showcase of armchair expertise at its finest!)

Stonewall: (originally) started, run, worked on by Gays and Lesbians
Any woman only service: started, run, worked on by women
FWS/SM/all the grassroots womens rights orgs: started, run, worked on by women
Any minority advocacy work: started, run, worked on by that minority

And yet.....
TIM "rights": somebody else should do it for them. Wah-wah!

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1r5fjtu/a_reality_check_on_criticism_levelled_against_the/

In trying to get the EHRC interim update overturned, the GLP managed to get the judge to establish that the terms ‘man’ and ‘woman’ in the 1992 Workplace Regs meant biological male and biological female.

And then the GLP tried to spin it as a win.

Some of them are starting to wake up though - from that Reddit thread:

I don't think we as community should be throwing money at group who lies to us about the outcomes, turns bad guidance in to caselaw, and then tells us, its not as bad as we think.

Perhaps us MNers should start anonymously funding the GPL?
They are helping us a ton.
I'm serious......

Those Reddit threads never fail do they? “NOBODY works for free” They just have no idea of how our side operates.

This story from Mr Menno sums it up quite nicely - trans identifying men, even those claiming solidarity with women like this supposedly reality-based TW, will do whatever they can/want to keep their fantasy intact:

https://x.com/MrMennoTweets/status/2023446426957549694

https://nitter.net/MrMennoTweets/status/2023446426957549694#m