Reform candidate calls for young girls to be 'educatd'

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Ahh wondered when the Epstein, Thiel & Musk breeding programme would arrive in the UK. To the surprise of nobody, it arrives via Reform.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-gorton-denton-children-women-b2918340.html

One of the many things that I object to is men seeking to influence and control women's reproductive choices.

What on earth makes you believe that you have the right?

I would have had DC much sooner if it hadn’t taken me 20 years to find a decent male partner, you wanker!

Maybe educate men to better and women would reproduce with them more.

From OP’s title she is talking about “young girls”.

What other debate about education starts with ‘you think they don’t already know that?’

Especially as there has been a concerted effort to obscure biological differences between boys and girls for at least a decade in schools.

As for what adults understand: if you are well-educated, curious and well-informed it’s really easy to overestimate what others know.

I didn’t know data on what adults know on fertility, because the main point of my post was not that, but having just looked it up there are pretty significant gaps.

Not only this, plenty of young women will choose to remain childfree. My young adult DD doesn’t want kids. Neither does my young adult DS actually. Child rearing is expensive, stressful and our society is broken - healthcare is a fight to get and if you want a nice state school, you’ll have to make expensive plans years in advance to get the right house. Graduate jobs are scarce and it’s probably a more straightforward and enjoyable life to not have children if you’re considering it in 2026.

and my dd is quite aware of biological reality

Urgh. But I agree that this still won’t make some women stop and think, because they think it somehow wont affect them or their families, only the other women that don’t do as they’re told….

They have a problem, because they’re anti immigration but the uk birth rate is only 1.6%, or something. They’re looking for other ways to solve it. I wonder, idly, if they were in power, how they would solve that problem?

Except it’s not just about educating young people about fertility.
It’s an attempt to encourage young girls to have children young because according to them, women are having children ‘too late’. There appears to be no consideration regarding why women are choosing to have children later in life or an attempt to address some of those issues. A main one being the behaviour of men.
Other reasons include financial stability and establishing a career.

Previous comments from Matt Goodwin suggests he has an issue with childless women so we can assume this is influencing his comments and ideas.

And let’s be clear, they’re talking about a need for more white babies.

I agree with PP about this being bad because the bad people are doing it. What's wrong with teaching girls everything about their biology including fertility, especially with the current trend of delayed adulthood? When a shocking number of women and girls (and men and boys) don't know basics like eg the urinary tract and vagina are separate there is a problem. I remember the outrage about NHS letters saying people with a cervix and how women with poor education might not know. But as soon as the chance to lefty virtue-signal comes along none of that education matters and the same women can be thrown under a bus. It's ridiculous!

I find it fascinating that this idea that these men think they know what women want better than women themselves. The idea that women are having children “too late” and would have preferred to have children sooner…. Well, says who? What does “too late” even mean? Too late for who? Why is having children as an older first time mother a bad thing and likely to be regretted? What does it matter to anyone else or society as a whole?

The idea of taxing women more for daring not to have children, well that can fuck right off. Controlling nasty little misogynists the lot of them.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

One of the many things that I object to is men seeking to influence and control women's reproductive choices.
What on earth makes you believe that you have the right?

That's a much more useful way of debating than OP’s. Actually saying what you object to.

I hadn’t said anything about whether it’s legitimate for men to propose policies that seek to “influence or control” women’s reproductive choices.

But actually, I do think all aspects of public policy are legitimate for all to engage on. I strongly disagree with the trend, for example, of shaping policy through consultation with specific interest groups. I think it leaves the door too open for policy capture from groups that don’t necessarily represent the beliefs or interests of those they claim to, and also hands too much power to whoever is deciding what ‘type’ of issue this is (self-ID? Oh, that’s an LGBTQ+ issue, that’s who we
must consult).

France recently introduced free contraception for women (only) under 25. That’s either good policy or bad policy. It’s not made illegitimate just because the president and health secretary were both men. Agree?

Right. So as long as in biology lessons children of both sexes are provided with the facts about human reproduction and fertility, jobs a good un, surely?
What possible justification is there for additional lessons on this for women and girls?

Mr Goodwin also appeared to agree with the host’s claim that universities have become hotbeds of “politically correct authoritarianism” because they are full of “childless women”.

But what about the cats, Mr Goodwin? you forgot about the cats! If you're going to channel JD Vance's attitude to women, at least get it right!

“We’re effectively run in this country, via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made,” JD Vance

If we want people to have more children the following must be posssible:
Affordable, good quality housing.
The ability for women (because they bear the children and are children's preferred carer) to take breaks in careers/training without that affecting seniority (i.e. child care counts as work for the community because it is) or career progression or eventual pension.
That childcare, the provision of breastmilk, and all the work mostly women do unmpaid (domestics, caring for DC, caring for elderly people et al) is counted as part of GDP (as some other European countries do).
Basic income - basically a tax allowance - that can become income during maternity, childcare and possible unemployment, calibrated to match caring responsibilities.
Help with childcare which does not involve outsourcing that care if the parents do not wish to do this i.e. payment to parents to use for the childcare they want, whether it is a nursery, grandparents/relatives, childminder or mother/father staying at home.
Support for marriage in the tax system.
Continuance of free at the point of access healthcare and public health provision.
Then we might have more people having children.

These middle aged men desperate to “educate young girls” on the importance of having sex sound pretty fucking dodgy to me. Now that the TRAs are in retreat, this looks like another safeguarding fight for women to have to take on.

Nothing , to me. Crack on.

Now that I could sign up to. Can you say more about the GFP thing?

Everyone needs sex education and yes girls need that.
I think context matters a lot thought. What is suspect is the intention. It's like- there's nothing wrong with flags but a poster on here told me that people are organising white people to put them up. Well I don't mind flags I do mind the expense but I mind a hell of a lot that bad people are using them. It's a con trick to hook people into an agenda that is actually something different.
It's that kind of thing.

I think you're absolutely right. And unfortunately this time these men have gained a foothold already by using their GC views as a trojan horse. Not many discussions about any politician with regressive misogynist views without someone reminding us "At least he knows what a woman is". Seemingly overlooking that just as a man needs to know what a woman is to protect our sex based rights, equally he needs to know what a woman is so he knows who to oppress.
We have a man arguing for the education of young girls by middle aged men, as you put it, on the feminist board no less, framing it as a GC argument. We can never drop our guard, can we?

I notice they are not educating the boys? I mean their biology matters too?
and if there weee more half decent men around then maybe the women would be more interested

“… many women are having children far too late in life….”
And whose fault is that ?
It’s not easy finding a decent man who wants to settle down.

I thought it was well known that child-free cat women are the happiest demographic in the world 😇

Apart from everything that @Grammarnut said, who’d want to bring a child into this fucked-up war-ridden world as it is now?

They aren't talking about their own fertility either.

When young women become mothers they become easier to exploit. I do not think they care one bit for girl's being educated (on anything really). Afterall, fertility/birth rate decreases the more women are educated.

I think they want to shame and punish women into having children (and earlier). The things that would help help people have children would be cheaper housing, cheaper cost of living etc etc... all of the things that help people to be more free do not help the people in power.

This.

Gilead, anyone? 🙁