Guardian on Transgender participation in the Winter Olympics

[WaterThyme]

No 9 of The Guardian’s things we learnt from the Winter Olympics:

Transgender athlete makes history
Sweden’s Elis Lundholm became the first openly transgender athlete to compete at the Winter Olympics when he took part in qualifying for the women’s moguls, finishing 25th and missing out on the final. Last November, the International Olympic Committee edged closer to implementing a ban on transgender women competing in the female category in time for the 2028 Summer Games in Los Angeles.

The 23-year-old Lundholm was born female and now identifies as a man but has not undergone any gender-affirming treatment or surgery. While this proposed ban will affect other transgender athletes, Lundholm would still be able to compete in the women’s category because it is the same gender he was assigned at birth. “I want everyone to be able to compete fairly against each other,” he said after finishing his run down the Livigno course.

A TIW speaks up for fairness.

‘Woman competes in women’s category and is fine with it.’ That could have saved them some word count.

But I thought it as traumatising to have to complete in your birth sex?

Funny how TIW never push to complete in the men’s category isn’t it.

It’s almost like the concern is more about which category they’re in than banning them for bigotty anti-trans reasons!

The discussion from the likes of Wu, Drennan and other male people with transgender identities has been eye popping. They have declared Elis is doing the wrong thing.

https://x.com/briannawu/status/2021380174516805726?s=46

Quite

I don’t have twitter can someone post screenshots?

Wu stated ‘this is horrible and they should be ashamed of participating.’

Drennan said ‘Good for them, but trans people need to think about what milestones we are cheering for. A trans person competing against members of their birth sex is not revolutionary. It is bowing to the massive campaign to put us back in our original boxes.’

Really revealing in that it shows how TIM, such as Drennan, only care about TIF in as much as how they can further their own aims. Who would have thought it.

Well, if a woman actually managed to qualify to compete against men at the top level that would be pretty revolutionary.

Well done Elis, and thanks for being a voice of reason.
So much for all the inaccurate twaddle about trans people being excluded from sports.
I don't mind Elis being referred to as he, I just don't believe he is a he and neither does Elis clearly.

The only reason why he's saying that is because Elis isn't playing along with his smoke and mirrors playbook.

I think, the Guardian is out to confuse people.
What it should be saying is - Elis, having decided to identify as a man, has decided to keep on competing in the women's category, because Elis knows, that Elis would not stand a snowball in hell's chance of competing at any meaningful way in the man's category.
Of course, they can't say that, because the whole house of imaginary cards would come tumbling down.

This is exactly the same as Quinn, described as the first openly transgender footballer to play in the World Cup, when she decided to identify as "non binary".
Woman identifies as non binary, decides to carry on playing for the women's team.
Bit of a non event really, isn't it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

So he’s a he until being a she gives him a chance to win a medal? But as a he, he stands no chance to win a medal… so returns to being a she for the olympics. And loses anyway… Really strong belief right there about the “wrong body” etc…🤦🏻‍♀️

I understand the bitterness but I'm actually really happy to see any person with a trans identity competing in the correct category (or using the correct facilities etc).

I'm never going to believe in gender identity because it goes against values I hold dear, such as being against gender stereotyping. But hey, I don't believe in anyone's God either; or eating meat; or wearing long trousers over high heels.

I want a world where we don't all have to believe the same thing but we can all get along peacefully and this seems a step in that direction. And I bet it probably isn't easy to be that trans person, swimming against the tide of trans ideology.

Is the extract above the full extent of the Guardian article? I guess it put them in a bit of a bind because too much celebration of Elis risks upsetting the (far more important as far as they're concerned) transwomen and true believers of the ideology. I'd love to see the Guardian cope with an article about a transwoman competing in the men's category. Heck I'd even buy it for the first time in 8 years if they managed that!

Interesting hypocrisy from those trans-identifying men misgendering a fellow trans-identifying person.

Unsurprising. The athlete is female, and we all know that females do that count unless they are servicing males. Men saying the quiet part out loud again.

That was the full section on that person. It was number 9 of 10 on “things you might not know about the Winter Olympics” or similar title.

I was intrigued to see a self-identified trans person doing the reasonable thing we have asked for.

And interested to note how freely Elis’ decisions about medical treatment or lack thereof were overtly described.

Good point about the treatment being described.

Would they do that for a transwoman? And women were scolded so badly for even letting their fluffy brains consider that boxer Khekif was male.

I don’t want to minimise someone’s life, but isn’t this a woman with a short haircut who has sex with men and women? She can dress how she wants and have any hairstyle she likes but I have no interest in her or anyone else’s sex life and I don’t see that it’s necessary to provide that information.

Wu hates anybody or any policy that he feels undermines his claim to womanhood 🙄

I can’t believe Wu thinks those filtered pictures he posts of himself fool anyone. I’ve seen lots of video of him that has no filters: he’s a massive unit.

If that’s what he sees when he looks in the mirror, that’s a worrying level of disconnection from reality. And somewhat explains some of his nasty attitude towards the women telling him to stay out of female spaces.

Instagram filters have been damaging for women and girls, and this is yet another way they negatively affect us 🙁

Elis probably just wants to kick free from the what women are supposed to do, be, and look like shackles and get on unemcumbered while still in their own body.

I have absolutely no idea about her sex life, or for that matter any other person's affairs.
The simple fact of the matter, is that the BBC think it is news that a woman plays for a women's football team.

Drennen and Wu don't appear to be using he/him pronouns for Lundholm. Using they/them instead. How interesting.

Your post said she identified as binary. So you do have an idea about her sex life. My point was that the information is irrelevant

100% this. I don't understand why everyone is cheering for this person.

She wants to be a he in all ways, yet clearly knows that means zero chance of a medal with her "fellow" men, so takes a place form a woman instead?

She is a traitor to women.