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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Respect to Ash Regan for today in the Scottish Parliament.

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ArabellaScott · 03/02/2026 21:25

'The state has a duty to protect women and girls from sexual exploitation by abusive, dangerous men. If it does not act, I am afraid that all members will be complicit in that harm.
As I look around the chamber this evening, I see some MSPs sitting here who know that they should register an interest, but I am sure that they will not, for varying reasons. The vote on the bill is not a conscience vote, but I believe that it should be, as such votes have been for other members’ bills. I also see former colleagues and friends on the benches who I know back the bill and support the principle. I wonder whether they will have the courage to say so with their votes—I hope that they will.
Millicent Fawcett famously said, “Courage calls to courage”. The most courageous people in the Parliament today are the survivors of prostitution. They have called to us all. They have bared their deepest trauma and shame in the hope that we will listen to them and in the hope that we will save the next wee girls who are targeted to have their bodies accessed by entitled, abusive sex buyers. Will you finally heed their call to courage? Will you listen to and act for them? MSPs who hide behind the polished lies that are directly out of the sex trade handbook should be ashamed, frankly.
I want to address the point of harm. The only thing that would be harmed by my bill is the sex trade, and there is no excuse not to apply critical thinking and research to this debate, as other legislatures, even in the UK, have done and have told us about. They are watching this Parliament today.'

https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/official-report/search-what-was-said-in-parliament/recent-publication?meeting=20044&iob=201937

The Bill was voted down at Stage 1, by 64 to 54 votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj2n7ylrgyo

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https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/official-report/search-what-was-said-in-parliament/recent-publication?meeting=20044

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ArabellaScott · 04/02/2026 22:06

SNP: Kate Forbes
Labour: Mercedes Villalba, Jackie Baillie, Paul Sweeney, Pam Duncan-Glancy Con: Annie Wells, Alexander Burnett
Lib Dem: Jamie Greene, Beatrice Wishart
Ind: Colin Smyth

Did not vote.

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guinnessguzzler · 04/02/2026 22:14

Very disappointed to see Jackie Baillie in that list, I did think better of her. I'm beyond being disappointed by PDG.

As for Maggie Chapman, I honestly don't know how to respond. She is either entirely stupid or just, I don't even know tbh. Given the Greens support a universal basic income / citizen's income (or did at one point, who knows what they stand for now), wouldn't that be a better option for women who have no other option than prostitution? Does she honestly believe that this is a free and active choice for most of the women involved?

WearyAuldWumman · 04/02/2026 23:14

WearyAuldWumman · 03/02/2026 23:03

I've just discovered that Neil Hanvey is standing in my constituency so I have someone I can vote for.

Damn. It's not confirmed. The list that I looked at was published more than a year ago.

It includes both Neale [sic - I got it wrong before] Hanvey and Eva Comrie. Both are excellent. Crossing everything that they're still both standing.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 08:24

I hope you get a decent choice, Weary.

Looking forward to seeing what oddbod Labour parachute into our constituency at the last minute.

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Seriestwo · 05/02/2026 08:42

I’m so disgusted by Holyrood I’d happily blow it up. I wouldn’t even need TNT, my rage would be enough.

INeedAPensieve · 05/02/2026 09:07

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 08:24

I hope you get a decent choice, Weary.

Looking forward to seeing what oddbod Labour parachute into our constituency at the last minute.

My labour MP is pretty good, she spoke out about issues with Westminster and women's rights but I'll need to check who is standing for my area. Also looking forward to the canvassers coming and asking them why that speech by a fellow (brave) SNP colleague did not move all their colleagues to vote for the bill. And why. The real reason is petty spitefulness against Ash Regan but I want them to own it. Not that they will, whoever comes to my door will probably be mealy mouthed about it all but I'm going to make them squirm.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 09:17

There are good and bad MSPs in almost every party. I'm in a safe SNP seat, so other parties hardly bother.

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guinnessguzzler · 05/02/2026 09:53

Well at least that way it will hopefully be difficult for them to get much done. Considering how much they fuck it up when they do try to do things, a Scottish Parliament that just doesn't do anything for a while would probably be good for everyone.

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 10:06

guinnessguzzler · 04/02/2026 22:14

Very disappointed to see Jackie Baillie in that list, I did think better of her. I'm beyond being disappointed by PDG.

As for Maggie Chapman, I honestly don't know how to respond. She is either entirely stupid or just, I don't even know tbh. Given the Greens support a universal basic income / citizen's income (or did at one point, who knows what they stand for now), wouldn't that be a better option for women who have no other option than prostitution? Does she honestly believe that this is a free and active choice for most of the women involved?

As I mentioned previously on this thread Jackie Baillie , deputy leader of the Labour Party in Scotland, has a daughter who is actively working to de criminalize prostitution, she is doing a PhD in that and is the political officer for Scotland for DECRIM, I think those facts had a bearing on her mother not voting at all!
DECRIM want a free for all for pimps and brothel keeping, the daughter was in the public gallery with the pole dancers and pimps on Tuesday evening during the debate.
Baillie is a snake , and this vote was a prefect example of words not deeds at Holyrood. Shame on all those who voted against this important bill and I’m grateful to those MSPs who made made the moral choice to support Ash, especially those who made upsetting but important speeches

Grammarnut · 05/02/2026 11:25

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2026 22:06

SNP: Kate Forbes
Labour: Mercedes Villalba, Jackie Baillie, Paul Sweeney, Pam Duncan-Glancy Con: Annie Wells, Alexander Burnett
Lib Dem: Jamie Greene, Beatrice Wishart
Ind: Colin Smyth

Did not vote.

Committed a sin of omission in not voting for the Bill.

Grammarnut · 05/02/2026 11:35

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2026 21:41

And here is part of Michelle Thomson's contribution (warning, graphic)

'I accord respect to the women who are in the gallery today. The life that they live is thus. They are systematically raped, vaginally, anally and orally, multiple times a day. They are spat on, ejaculated on, urinated on and sometimes defecated on. They suffer repeated abrasions and injuries to their vagina and anus, often requiring medical treatment, are at a high risk of being slapped or punched and are 18 times more likely to be murdered. They are strangled, potentially until they are unconscious and often without even knowing that that is happening. They are verbally abused by the people who pay for access to their bodies and are at a high risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases and other serious infections. They lose most of their earnings to the pimp who is controlling them and become addicted to mind-numbing substances simply to endure the disassociation and develop complex post-traumatic stress disorder. Even if they escape, they struggle for the rest of their life to form trusting relationships with men. On the upside, they will learn that their most valued skill is performing, because their rapists require them to act as though they enjoy what is being done to them.
On that basis, who here would argue that that should be regularised? Who here would argue for the protection of abusers rather than of the women themselves, and who here would tell a constituent who cannot afford to put food in her mouth that the solution is to put male members in her mouth? No one.
We have privilege. The reality of prostitution will never permeate our lives, but it permeates the lives of the poor, the dispossessed, the trafficked, the vulnerable, the addicted, the homeless—the ones with no voice: exactly the people we are meant to speak for here. Is the extent of our collective ambition to make Scotland a better place that we will simply accept the entitlement of some men to demand the purchase of women?'

Totally agree with this brave speech. Who could in conscience vote to maintain that exploitation and protect the perpetrators?

StellaAndCrow · 05/02/2026 13:29

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2026 21:45

Maggie Chapman:

'Criminalisation is not a gift of protection. It is a threat to the rights of working people.'

WTF?
What the fuck did she even think she meant?

Cos it sounds like she means poor men could lose their jobs.

StellaAndCrow · 05/02/2026 13:59

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2026 21:35

Maggie Chapman's contribution is worth recording:

'The Scottish Greens support workers—retail workers, hospitality workers, healthcare workers, care workers and, yes, sex workers, because sex work is work. It might not be work that one agrees with. It might not be work that one would ever do. One might never procure the services of a sex worker, but some people do that work. Many of them do it of their own free will. They find it meaningful and fulfilling work. It earns them a good living and puts food on their table.
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Ruth Maguire

If prostitution is work like any other work, should we be offering it as work experience for young people? Should folk who are jobseekers have their benefits taken away if they refuse to do it?

Maggie Chapman

It is a different kind of work. Lots of types of work are not offered for work experience, to use the example that the member gives.'
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Scotland for Decrim argues that only by fully removing punitive laws do sex workers gain “the power to choose when and how we work”, which is the power and the dignity of their labour that all workers should have.
Sex workers simply ask for that same treatment. As a Scottish Green, I believe deeply in harm reduction, social justice and bodily autonomy. Where sex work happens between consenting adults, I believe that the state should support them'

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Again, WTF?
"'The Scottish Greens support workers—retail workers, hospitality workers, healthcare workers, care workers and, yes, sex workers, because sex work is work. It might not be work that one agrees with. It might not be work that one would ever do. One might never procure the services of a sex worker, but some people do that work. Many of them do it of their own free will. They find it meaningful and fulfilling work. It earns them a good living and puts food on their table."

I mean, I know she's got an agenda, works actively against protections for women and vulnerable people, but does she really think this is a good argument?

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:01

StellaAndCrow · 05/02/2026 13:29

WTF?
What the fuck did she even think she meant?

Cos it sounds like she means poor men could lose their jobs.

I think the 'working people' referred to are 'sex workers'. But she did also mention landlords, bizarrely.

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GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:05

I watched Maggie Personperson speaking, and I wondered whether she's just thick. I don't know, but I do think she's incapable of independent thought. She is the Omnicause personified, and has adopted all the required opinions. I noticed she was wearing a rainbow lanyard, and was surprised not to see a keffiyeh too.

Christinapple · 05/02/2026 14:08

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/02/2026 14:31

"Many of them do it of their own free will. They find it meaningful and fulfilling work. It earns them a good living and puts food on their table."

It's when feminists started making arguments like this that I gave up on feminism. This marks the point when feminism actively started to work against the interest's of women, which has led us to today's feminist's who have given women's rights away and are erasing the very notion of women.
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And apparently, according to another post, you can get a phd in this betrayal now.

guinnessguzzler · 05/02/2026 15:00

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They are supporters, aiders and abetters of rape so what on earth is the problem with saying so? Even if you believe that you can buy consent (I don't), over 2/3 of 'sex workers' report being raped whilst working. That is significantly higher than any other line of work therefore those supporting this 'industry' are supporting and facilitating rape. The names of those who voted against this Bill are in the public domain and they should have the courage of their convictions if they want to support the continuation of an extremely detrimental practice. I get that you don't care about women but stop with the bullshit arguments and nonsense, just own it.

Christinapple · 05/02/2026 16:38

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RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 16:42

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Oh do feck off with all your utter nonsense

OldCrone · 05/02/2026 16:49

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Ridiculous.

What law has been broken?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/02/2026 16:53

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Do you really think the SG can take another day in court considering the rubbish performance they put on in front of the law. 😂

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 16:57

OldCrone · 05/02/2026 16:49

Ridiculous.

What law has been broken?

Heresy. Hate Crime!

Thou shalt not criticise The Party.

UtopiaPlanitia · 05/02/2026 17:54

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 16:42

Oh do feck off with all your utter nonsense

Chris gets a wee shiver of excitement from telling us we’ve been reported for various stuff. It never amounts to anything.

Personally, I think Chris just enjoys recreating the experience of being a school sneak 🤣