Rape Gang Enquiry First Public Hearing

[IwantToRetire]

I am not posting this to re-start the discussion about motives, suitability etc., of this venture.

But have seen notices of this first "public" hearing and clips of speechs.

But just cant find where it was held, who took part, etc., etc..

If any one has a link please do share!

The Rape Gang Inquiry @rapeganginquiry

Our official inquiry hearings will start on February 2nd and cover the following topics:
Parents and carers.
Pregnancy/abortion/born of rape.
Whistleblowers.
Policing and justice.
Social care.
NHS/mental health/sexual health.
Education.
Demographics.
Media/social media
Politics.

https://x.com/rapeganginquiry/highlights

Some video links here https://x.com/officialsammyuk

I’m only seeing clips too, it’s utterly horrifying.

Every single politician should have to listen to Sammy Woodhouse's opening address in full.

Ideally sit through all the evidence.

Horrific police inaction described by a father today. He was told to go away because he didn't live in the right area even though he knew where his daughter was and thought she might be being abused and it was just down the street from the police station. The police basically just refused to do their job and his daughter has been destroyed. He said she was a character before, she's not now.

Listening to this, what parent would bother trying to go official routes in the future? What's the point? They told him to stop reporting her missing. The utterly evil, evil bastards. They all need to be fired.

I looked on facebook (the videos are there on Rupert Lowe's account as well as on X) and lots of parents commenting they'd just kick the door in, then lots of comments under that saying 'the police would turn up THEN, but not for a child being raped, eh?'.

Thank you to the parents and victims speaking out - it is much needed but it must take an enormous amount of bravery.

Oh and Rupert Lowe said the BBC is refusing to cover it. I googled 'rape gang inquiry BBC' and got no results. So much for being a public broadcaster. I knew they were paedophile apologists but the lack of BBC coverage still shocked me. It's a very big news story. Weird that Epstein is being covered but not this (or maybe not because it's not UK public institutions implicated in child rape there is it?). Wonder how long the public broadcaster will refuse to cover such an important public interest story.

The Rape Gang Inquiry

This webpage details who they'll be hearing from, the timeline and the rough location.

I assume they cannot publicise the specific venue for security reasons (though it says central London) as many of the survivors and families will still have absolutely reasonable security fears . Let's not forget there are powerful people in the police and other public institutions who allowed this to happen who have a very strong vested interest in their testimony not being heard. Not to mention many of the male abusers in organised gangs who still walk free.

Thanks I can understand all that but sort of assumed it would be live streamed? Or posted to YouTube or whatever at the end of each day.

Because as I said up thread, I dont want to get bogged down in should they be doing it etc., but what I do want is to have available what was said etc., so that later (maybe I am being pessimistic) people who dont actually care about women and their exploitation will misrepresent what was said and by whom.

And if need be, based on seeing or reading testimonies, feel well enough informed to comment critically if who ever is actually running the hearings attempts to exploit on behalf of one set of view or another.

Myabe they will when it is all over, make the recording public.

They've said there will be a report. They have a lawyer and they hope to pursue prosecutions, given this fact there may be some evidence they don't wish to publicize at this point.

In addition they do seem to be putting survivors first (in contrast to the government shambles) so it may be only some consent to video being shared. I personally would see a difference between giving evidence and it being shared on social media. I'm sure there's a plan. We'll just have to wait and see.

Also, relative to the usual government cost of these things, they're doing it on a shoestring.

It's beyond shameful that the Government has been so useless that it needed a crowd funded inquiry.

I don't think live streaming it would be at all appropriate

It needs to be a place where the victims and those looking after them feel that they can speak. Then hopefully lawyers will have material that they can take forward for prosecutions.

But this doesn't tally with the survivors who have said they are sick and tired of not being able to be heard publicly.

The possibility that it will be implied that their testimonies have been edited in some way is just what they dont need.

This isn't a counselling session or a support service.

This is what (some) survivors have wanted to happen.

Them being allowed a public voice without political interests manipulating their experience to score points.

@IwantToRetire i'm sure unedited versions will be available and put forward to anyone who can help legally.

This isn't a government backed inquiry so it's kind of new territory, isn't it? Apologies if I've misunderstood anything. The victims will have been consulted with in terms of how they want to do things. Then again, I suppose there may also be resource issues.

Survivors didn't want to be controlled by politicians, they wanted their stories heard.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume this means they're all therefore OK with live streaming of their testimony. I suspect there will be a range of views on that. Which may be why we're seeing this 'clip' approach (it may be down to the individual to consent - they may consent to some bits of testimony being released and other bits not being released).

There are many methods of being heard publicly.

And yes there are likely resource issues too.

I agree with this.

Shocking.

The thing is, if I didn't know what I know (independently verified facts from multiple other sources) I'd think that father was making it up because the inversion of values that we, as citizens, are supposed to believe in and follow ourselves is just unbelievable. The bit where he almost breaks down is heartbreaking.

The grooming gang facts break the social contract.

From Rupert Lowe
x.com/i/status/2020016459376623669

A few reflections on our first week of inquiry hearings.

Firstly, and I’ll be entirely honest, it’s harder than I thought it would be.

I cannot adequately describe the evil that these girls have gone through. Rape doesn’t do it justice.

It’s torture, it’s abduction, it’s war.

What strikes me is the consistency of the testimonies. It’s the same playbook, almost every time. We suspect there is FAR more coordination than is currently understood. Far more. The same names come up, with the same tactics, in the same towns. They are organised. More organised than we know. It’s almost like a well-drilled army. And it continues today, make no mistake about that.

What’s so difficult is that the men use both physical and psychological torture to beat these girls into submission. They accept it. They believe it’s the right thing for them. That’s what makes it so wicked for families. Some have been fortunate, escaping or being extracted. But how many haven’t? How many remain trapped, today? Some even overseas. How many girls have been abducted to Pakistan?

Where honestly, the thought of their life there is too much to even start to comprehend.

One woman we spoke to was raped by 600 - 700 men in England. What would be happening to them there?

The systemic failures across the police, NHS, social care, local politics, councils - specific and brutal examples of how these officials just did not care. Even worse, actively enabled the rape.

Of course the girls hold such deep hatred for their rapists, but actually for many the true anger is aimed at the state. I understand that. These were the people tasked to defend them, and they failed in the most brutal way.

As I have said, we are identifying targets for private prosecutions and other legal action - this will cover the rapists, accomplices and public officials who deliberately turned the other way, or worse.

One message is clear - the Muslim community needs to do far more to root these people out. I don’t believe the reaction is anywhere near strong enough. We had one testimony this week of the imam being fully aware of what was happening, but did nothing. This comes up again and again. Nobody wants to say it, but it’s true. I want to see these so-called ‘community leaders’ very vocally act.

The vast scale of the rape is impossible to comprehend.

It was everywhere. It is everywhere.

These are just my thoughts, but everything will be put into a comprehensive report by our legal team.

It’s been a challenging week for the team, and I want to say thank you to all involved - particularly our safeguarding team who are working all hours to ensure the survivors have the support they need. Everything we are releasing has the full permission of the individuals involved, and we are taking absolutely zero risks with any release. The safety and wellbeing of the participants is our only priority.

Thank you to all of our donors who made this possible, and those who continue to give. It is appreciated. It will be well spent, I promise you that.

And to the survivors who have put themselves forward to stop the same fate happening to others - you’re doing more good than you will ever know.

Why isn't this inquiry getting more coverage in msm.

https://x.com/i/status/2019825740888625622

https://x.com/i/status/2020125362991018195

Following our hearings this week, MP Rupert Lowe has written to the Home Secretary requesting an official investigation into the overseas trafficking of rape gang victims, including an urgent review of all relevant missing persons cases involving women. @RupertLowe10 @rapeganginquiry

I think we can all guess why not.

Well it probably would get more, but as it is being held in secret, with only limited public info, and worse as in the Lowe comment above being filtered through those wanting to score political points, losing what value it should have.

ie hearing the voices of survivors directly.

I just feel really sad that in the end this will achieve nothing because it will just be about political point scoring.

Gross

I can't see any point scoring. It is open, the voices of victims and witnesses are being recorded and a report will be written up.
Are you following on X.
https://x.com/i/status/2020027258858070403

https://x.com/i/status/2020159583616983342

What do you want a ring side seat.?

Why would I be on X? Apart from the taint of Musk, X is one of the least subscribed to SM platform.

X is a cul de sac where the same small group of people interact with each other.

Hardly qualifies as outreach.

Oh I forgot you're too pure for X. I'm surprised you're still on here when you are so superior to the likes of me.
You started this thread with
I am not posting this to re-start the discussion about motives, suitability etc., of this venture.

And yet you have to reappear to say

Well it probably would get more, but as it is being held in secret, with only limited public info, and worse as in the Lowe comment above being filtered through those wanting to score political points, losing what value it should have.

I agree with your first post not your second.

Nothing to do with being superior. If you are aware of what is going on in the world, most women, including women's groups are boycotting X.

Why would any woman, saying they are a feminist or interested in women's issues continue to support Musk.

Would you go into a strip joint because sometimes there is interesting discussion there?

Its like years ago when there was some man's magazine ie sleezy pictures of women, men would justify going on subscribing because every now and then some well know writer would write an article for them.

Its about solidarity with other women.

And there is something rather obscene about the idea that survivor's voices are only available via a source that exploits women.

And I would say this to JKR should I somehow bump into her.

Added to which, as it has the least number of users why use that platform instead of one which is more used and more accessible.

Maybe then are also on YouTube which would make more sense.

"Why would I be on X?"

I think that you may be shooting yourself in the foot with that attitude.

Also, I note from your OP that you said:

https://x.com/rapeganginquiry/highlights
Some video links here https://x.com/officialsammyuk

You were quite literally posting links to X in your OP.

You've covered all this on a previous thread you started. Are you attempting to derail your own thread now. It's an insult to the victims.

Out of interest India Today managed to cover the launch of the Inquiry.

For those ignored: UK lawmaker begins crowdfunded probe into grooming gangs - India Today share.google/GBjl2UpM0aIjPnBvV

Emily Maitlis accused Rupert Lowe of being racist for suggesting Pakistani men were culprits and the BBC are barely giving it any air time. Those poor women - even during an enquiry MSM is too afraid/unwilling to speak of the elephant in the room.

Intel Lady’s version of Emily Maitlis is spot on 😂

You never thought it should happen in the first place, so don’t pretend you care about the survivors’ voices.