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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Louise Perry seems unecessarily unpleasant about WASPI women

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Carla786 · 30/01/2026 00:45

I understand disagreeing for one reason or another, but I think her tone is rather unpleasant. Is the issue really as clear-cut as she seems to think?

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Carla786 · 30/01/2026 01:00

My personal opinion is that it was unjust but also that there probably realistically isn't the money for a payout. I really don't warm to Perry's tone on it, though.

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CloakedInGucci · 30/01/2026 01:02

I don’t really see what’s wrong with the first tweet you link.

The second one could, at a stretch, be read as “yay we all hate old people” I guess.

Maybe a stupid question, but who is Louise Perry? I don’t have twitter so can see what you linked but can’t click on her bio.

silverwrath · 30/01/2026 01:10

Who?

Carla786 · 30/01/2026 01:10

CloakedInGucci · 30/01/2026 01:02

I don’t really see what’s wrong with the first tweet you link.

The second one could, at a stretch, be read as “yay we all hate old people” I guess.

Maybe a stupid question, but who is Louise Perry? I don’t have twitter so can see what you linked but can’t click on her bio.

She's a self-proclaimed 'reactionary feminist' (Mary Harrington & Nina Power are the major other ones). She wrote a book a few years back called The Case Against The Sexual Revolution, which made some good points but went a bit far on some, imo. She also hosts a podcast about sexual politics, Maiden Mother Matriarch, which I have similar views on.

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Carla786 · 30/01/2026 01:22

I think I at least partly agree with the lady who wrote this.

https://kerstinrodgers.substack.com/p/birthday-party-food-a-giant-cuthbert

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RoyalCorgi · 30/01/2026 14:21

Just wondering why you're sharing tweets from 2024.

Flicktick · 30/01/2026 14:29

I've seen some much nastier tweets today.
I fall into the waspi category but I think they need to read the room.
I would rather the money was spent on my DC's generation somehow.

Arguing about who did or didn't get letters was never very convincing but the venom directed towards those women is misogynistic and ageist.

Grammarnut · 30/01/2026 17:34

Flicktick · 30/01/2026 14:29

I've seen some much nastier tweets today.
I fall into the waspi category but I think they need to read the room.
I would rather the money was spent on my DC's generation somehow.

Arguing about who did or didn't get letters was never very convincing but the venom directed towards those women is misogynistic and ageist.

I don't remember getting letters about pension retirement age. But I only lost a month, so that's maybe why?

Carla786 · 30/01/2026 17:49

RoyalCorgi · 30/01/2026 14:21

Just wondering why you're sharing tweets from 2024.

From 2024? Sorry, I think I got a bit confused. I could have sworn I saw some rather scathing tweets by her about WASPI last month. Maybe they were about pensions more generally? I agree the ones I've linked so far aren't so harsh...

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Brefugee · 30/01/2026 19:49

I've seen some much nastier tweets today.
I fall into the waspi category but I think they need to read the room.
I would rather the money was spent on my DC's generation somehow.

the ins and outs are a bit more complicated - but some of these elderly women are living in abject poverty (often due to divorce).
It is beyond crass to have some "feminists" spouting off that 1/4 of pensioners are millionaires so we don't have to care about any of them.

JuliettaCaeser · 30/01/2026 19:52

I felt they had a point but sadly now with the state we are in it’s coming across as rather tone deaf.

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/01/2026 19:59

Yes, I detect quite a bit of unpleasant glee that some women have lost out. It is a shame that some women are unable to empathise with women of older generations who have may have led lives different to theirs - in being skewed towards traditional roles and patterns of work and responsibility

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:13

Carla786 · 30/01/2026 01:22

I think I at least partly agree with the lady who wrote this.

https://kerstinrodgers.substack.com/p/birthday-party-food-a-giant-cuthbert

Thanks for this. Me, too - at least partly:

Second wave feminists tried to be like men, farming out child care to poorer women.

This is such an ignorant misrepresentation of all we did, against what obstacles, yet so widespread that I've given up countering it. Still makes me bloody cross, though, in a "Why did I even bother?!" sort of way.

She then goes on to recognise it without even recognising it:

I’ve felt crushed by the dialogue on Twitter/X, the complete lack of sympathy for older women. Misogyny is always ok when directed at women past their last fuckable day it seems.

The ‘ok boomer’ narrative is tiresome. Blaming the older generation for absolutely everything. It was always hard to find affordable housing. Always. In London anyway.

Yes, yes, it was, it is, and it is crushing.

These 'reactionary feminists' are very annoying. I've been trying to give up feminism to focus more on elderly rights - turns out I can't, though, because old women get the short end of every stick. The sticks that hit old men hit old women twice as hard.

Mine was an exciting and difficult time to be a woman. It was exciting because the women before me had built a great foundation for us to make real, tangible differences to women's rights, freedoms and opportunities. The obstacles previous feminists had to surmount were even more daunting; they did it. We did what was needed next.

It pisses me off to see so-called feminists merrily deeming the job done, compromising women's prospects for the future while developing various styles of half-arsed feminism and putting my generation down. I feel like they don't deserve any efforts I might make to see them better-placed in their older years.

I think I'll open my wine and watch some detective crap on Netflix.

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:17

She is totally right. It was mentioned in 1993 that the pension age was changing, this was 33 years ago. I am embarrassed that women are trying to suggest they didn't follow the news , read newspapers.

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:33

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:17

She is totally right. It was mentioned in 1993 that the pension age was changing, this was 33 years ago. I am embarrassed that women are trying to suggest they didn't follow the news , read newspapers.

They were supposed to send out letters. They didn't.

This may be hard to understand when you're used to getting constant streams of information online, but you can manage it. This wasn't front-page news at any point. The nine o'clock news didn't do features on it or regular updates, it wasn't important. I didn't get a leaflet through the door about it, there were no posters on bus stops or the tube.

I rang the pensions service when I was 50, to check if I needed to pay any extra contributions. They told me I was due to receive my pension at 60. This suggests the change was so little known, their own helpdesk was unaware. I'm far from the only woman with the same story.

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:38

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:33

They were supposed to send out letters. They didn't.

This may be hard to understand when you're used to getting constant streams of information online, but you can manage it. This wasn't front-page news at any point. The nine o'clock news didn't do features on it or regular updates, it wasn't important. I didn't get a leaflet through the door about it, there were no posters on bus stops or the tube.

I rang the pensions service when I was 50, to check if I needed to pay any extra contributions. They told me I was due to receive my pension at 60. This suggests the change was so little known, their own helpdesk was unaware. I'm far from the only woman with the same story.

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Yes it was news at the time. I remember it.

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:39

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:38

Yes it was news at the time. I remember it.

What time? In time to completely rethink your plans and figure out how to get through the additional six years you'd have to fund?

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:41

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:33

They were supposed to send out letters. They didn't.

This may be hard to understand when you're used to getting constant streams of information online, but you can manage it. This wasn't front-page news at any point. The nine o'clock news didn't do features on it or regular updates, it wasn't important. I didn't get a leaflet through the door about it, there were no posters on bus stops or the tube.

I rang the pensions service when I was 50, to check if I needed to pay any extra contributions. They told me I was due to receive my pension at 60. This suggests the change was so little known, their own helpdesk was unaware. I'm far from the only woman with the same story.

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I find it really hard to believe that you never heard about it. Everyone I knew was aware.

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:44

GarlicBound · 30/01/2026 20:39

What time? In time to completely rethink your plans and figure out how to get through the additional six years you'd have to fund?

Well 1993 gives you quite a lot of time. Did you need longer?

silverwrath · 30/01/2026 20:48

So I've now googled her.

'Louise Perry seems unecessarily unpleasant' would have sufficed.

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:52

silverwrath · 30/01/2026 20:48

So I've now googled her.

'Louise Perry seems unecessarily unpleasant' would have sufficed.

Not really. Why unpleasant?

silverwrath · 30/01/2026 20:57

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:52

Not really. Why unpleasant?

Her 'politics' and mine are not remotely simpatico.

Clearly she's your cup of tea. Enjoy!

WombatsInCombats · 30/01/2026 20:59

silverwrath · 30/01/2026 20:57

Her 'politics' and mine are not remotely simpatico.

Clearly she's your cup of tea. Enjoy!

No idea if she is my cup of tea or not. That's why I asked