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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
CrimeBoyIDontKnow · 22/01/2026 04:29

I’ve heard tell that the anguished desperation of some of these men to be seen as women has even led some of them to go so far as trying to modify their habit of interrupting and talking over women.

The whole thing is great writing.

TheaBrandt1 · 22/01/2026 04:55

Brilliant. I particularly like the clarity of “some of you are perves don’t care what percentage are but some are so you all stay out end of”. Party’s over chaps

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 22/01/2026 06:01

ApplebyArrows · 21/01/2026 22:13

Is anyone taken in by this "dolls" language, which is clearly an attempt to generate sympathy? At best it makes me think of Barbies (unconvincing plastic fake women). At worst it just sounds utterly misogynistic, as if they think real women are really just mindless playthings too.

I think it also shows how toxic the 'community' is, those who don't pass are bricks, they're vicious and spiteful towards one another, and this spills over into their whole lifes. All of the insults directed at women who object to men in their spaces, are of the same level of vicious spite. That's another reason why we need to keep them out of our spaces.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 22/01/2026 06:29

Protect us from the dolls!

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2026 07:07

I was going to attempt to post something witty with a “creepy doll” gif but after putting it into the search box I am genuinely creeped out by them all.

So if people put that into the search box that’s the vibe the term gives off.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/01/2026 07:31

I think the use of 'doll' is deliberate and related to the fetish aspect.

Totally agree with every word in this article. Thanks OP.

WhatterySquash · 22/01/2026 07:37

Fab piece - the clarity is brilliant, and what so many confused people need.

As with so many ally/handmaiden-type statements, you just have to apply it to women to see how that would go down and that shows up that it’s not about thinking TW are women at all. Most women wouldn’t feel comfortable about a women’s rights campaign characterising them as “dolls”. Transactivists see no need to “be kind” to actual women. No woman would love to be told “I see you as a real woman I’d be totally cool with you coming in the women’s toilets “ etc.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 22/01/2026 08:50

TerracottaWorrier · 21/01/2026 23:27

Are you sure you should be out in public if you can't control your speech?

No. My kids should probably put me in a care home.

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 22/01/2026 08:55

I used to work with a really lovely older Scottish man, who would call me (and pretty much all women) "doll". It was quite sweet.

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2026 09:07

'Doll' is standard Glasgow term for woman. It's not where the word's usage came from in this context.

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 22/01/2026 09:25

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2026 09:07

'Doll' is standard Glasgow term for woman. It's not where the word's usage came from in this context.

Oh I know that. I was just musing. The trans use of "doll" is quite manipulative, though. It says, just like dolls, we're pretty, painted, fragile. We're malleable toys. How would YOU like to play with me and use me?

Ugh, even just writing it down feels creepy and grubby.

CassOle · 22/01/2026 09:46
GallantKumquat · 22/01/2026 13:16

If we were to transport ourselves back to the 80s and imagine ourselves reading the medical literature, we could have seen the transexual phenomena come under clinical academic scrutiny for the first time. Blanchard's research revealed an astonishing set of circumstances:

  • That transexual ideation was especially common in children who would later grow up to identify as homosexual. And that in those individuals, the desire to be the opposite sex usually vanished.
  • That of the men seeking transexual medical services most were heterosexual - in one of his studies the ration was 73 to 52.
  • That the women seeking seeking transexual services were practically invariably homosexual - in the same study 71 women were homosexual and one was (in his view very questionably) heterosexual.
  • That this number was disguised for a long time because clinics would not accept heterosexual men as patients - so many of them lied.
  • That, of the heterosexual men who sought treatment, 80% had a clear sexual fetish, that of the homosexual men approximately 10% did and that of the homosexual women, 0% did.
  • That, among the men, it was the heterosexual men who had the more stable transexual identity. The implication being that for many of the homosexual men, the reason they didn't desist from being transexual in adulthood was a difficulty of adjusting to being an adult male homosexual. (internal homophobia)

So, the 'true' transexual has always the heterosexual male with an erotic interest in 'being' a women.

Blarchart was clear that the suffering of all the individuals was intense, though in different ways depending on the sub-category. Blanchart's personal views were clear: transsexuality and any accompanying fetishes were morally neutral. His concerns were what treatment would be most effective at alleviating suffering and how the person in question could lead a happy life.

Much subsequent research has been spoiled because of the profound need of TRAs to bury Blanchard's findings in euphemism or to obscure them, that's why his work, especially in the 80s should be given considerable weight.

What should have happened in the 80s was a robust debate about how we (as a society) accommodate transexual men who are likely to be heterosexual and have a sexual fetish to be seen as women - but also for whom being unable to present as women causes very great unhappiness.

The first question is: is it even appropriate to insist that such men not be discriminated against. It's hardly beyond the pale for women to object to men parading around in public exhibiting a sexual fetish. When JKR made her 'dress as you like' post she was already conceding a lot. When KJK argues that she shouldn't be forced to hirer such a man, she's making a serious argument. I should add that I personally think that the argument comes down to one of self expression, and that in free society we need to grant individuals a maximum degree of self expression freedom, so long is their appearance is decent, so clearly in the JKR camp.

The next question is: should we as society should go to considerable lengths to keep such individuals from being forced into communal same sex facilities with their own sex and if so what does that look like. That is essentially the one that the UK has codified in law, but did so without a proper debate.

As for the question: to what degree should such men have a right to be treated as women. The answer is obviously none at all. And it was obviously irresponsible of Blanchard et al. to promote treatment that assumed that men should have access to women's single sex spaces. Presumably he felt that such policy considerations were beyond his professional expertise and remit. But we can trace the original sin to that irresponsible presumption by medical professionals.

With respect to 'protect the dolls', that is an attempt to refer back to a previous (to the 80s) era when transwomen placed under the category of homosexual men whose extreme effeminacy made it difficult for them to live everyday life as men. During the 60s such men were given the camp expression 'dolls' when they dressed up as women. So, its an active, awkward attempt to manipulate the debate with language, which describes the history of TRA in capital letters.

ClawedButler · 22/01/2026 13:24

'Protect the dolls' is such a bizarre rallying cry - it manages to p155 off not only us women/GC people/TERFs but also a lot of trans people (it's saying that only TIMs who pass are worthy of protection, and no TIWs at all).

When I see anyone wearing it, I just think they're no true ally of trans people at all. They're just jumping on the trendy bandwagon and haven't actually thought it through at all.

It's almost as if they're spineless, thoughtless idiots or something.

moto748e · 22/01/2026 14:16

It's almost as if they're spineless, thoughtless idiots or something.

I'm sure I can't imagine who you would be thinking of there:

www.christian.org.uk/news/lisa-nandy-under-fire-for-wearing-controversial-protect-the-dolls-slogan/

nicepotoftea · 22/01/2026 14:26

ClawedButler · 22/01/2026 13:24

'Protect the dolls' is such a bizarre rallying cry - it manages to p155 off not only us women/GC people/TERFs but also a lot of trans people (it's saying that only TIMs who pass are worthy of protection, and no TIWs at all).

When I see anyone wearing it, I just think they're no true ally of trans people at all. They're just jumping on the trendy bandwagon and haven't actually thought it through at all.

It's almost as if they're spineless, thoughtless idiots or something.

I think part of the problem is that many Americans can only understand this as a battle against the religious right, so anything that offends the religious right is ergo liberal and good.

The feminist angle goes over their heads.

Britinme · 22/01/2026 16:04

nicepotoftea · 22/01/2026 14:26

I think part of the problem is that many Americans can only understand this as a battle against the religious right, so anything that offends the religious right is ergo liberal and good.

The feminist angle goes over their heads.

I think this is spot on. I had a brief conversation with my very left-wing DS2 and he was flummoxed at why I wouldn't just be kind to this oppressed minority.

GallantKumquat · 22/01/2026 16:25

nicepotoftea · 22/01/2026 14:26

I think part of the problem is that many Americans can only understand this as a battle against the religious right, so anything that offends the religious right is ergo liberal and good.

The feminist angle goes over their heads.

I agree Americans have retained that frame, but I'd also note that the Christian right is almost totally absent as an actual institution force in the major political topics of the day: online speech, AI ethics, public health, immigration, policing, higher‑ed governance. The Christian Coalition hasn't existed for two decades, and almost no one would be able to name a successor (e.g. Faith and Freedom Coalition)

The institutional centre left in the US reflexively treats the religious right as though it's still its chief opponent, but in terms of what's driving the political debates, it's vanished, including from the trans debate, which so far has been dominated by state attorney generals battling the ACLU.

Abhannmor · 22/01/2026 16:37

napody · 21/01/2026 22:18

It immediately puts an image of Barbie Kardashian in my head. Which I don't think is the idea.

EEEK. You are right. I couldn't put my finger on why it is such an unsettling phrase. Like Barbie K really needs protection ....

silverwrath · 22/01/2026 16:45

An alternative title ... Reality Bites!!

A brilliant piece.

“Trans women” are a subcategory of men.

Damn straight they are. And my tolerance level for indulging in any man's delusion that insists on the acquiescence of women (and girls) is now non existent.

Bollocks to 'The Dolls'.

Delphin · 22/01/2026 17:00

"Bollocks to 'The Dolls'."

😂

TheaBrandt1 · 22/01/2026 19:45

Actually any linking of dolls and adult males
is fucking creepy as hell and sinister. I don’t this slogan helps their cause at all.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2026 00:27

I saw this and thought chucky the chihuahua was appropriate here.

x.com/happydogs90/status/2014254851362849251?s=46

Helleofabore · 23/01/2026 00:39

Should we protect these dolls?

This might need a trigger warning if you have a real fear of dolls and stuffed animals. This video will be triggering in that case.

https://x.com/tawadotcom/status/2014225398645813529?s=46

Tawadotcom (@Tawadotcom) on X

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

https://x.com/tawadotcom/status/2014225398645813529?s=46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/01/2026 01:24

ScathingAngelAgrona · 22/01/2026 03:42

When I read the phrase “Protect the dolls” my brain automatically changes
‘dolls’ to ‘dulls’.

🤣 that works too and takes out some of the creepy vibe

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