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A fissure between men and women is reshaping British politics

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IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 18:43

Among UK voters, gender is emerging as a new dividing line across political views and social attitudes – suggesting Britons are becoming more like Americans.
From https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/01/21/a-fissure-between-men-and-women-reshaping-british-politics/
Also in full at https://archive.is/z5qZd

Nost sure if this is the right link, but article says it is based on NatCen - maybe this? https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/demographic-divides-what-drives-attitudes-uk-and-us

A fissure between men and women is reshaping British politics
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RavelsDancer · 26/01/2026 03:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:24

Gender is just apart of it, the young women are buying into it because it's #BeKind, the boys are not buying into it it because it's demonising them, toxic masculinity, potential rapist, white, pale and stale. Genderwang covers the whole of the post-modern claptrap, QT, CRT and GI, they are all heads of the same Hydra.

Not just because of BeKind, I´m afraid, also because it allows them to absolutely destroy women who are against it. Never underestimate that. It allows handmaidens to kill the competition, who they (at least deep down) know is smarter.

TomPinch · 26/01/2026 04:52

Tangential, but a friend and I were discussing Adolescence and his view was that the protagonist was a manipulative monster who would always have turned out bad. Not sure about that interpretation myself but maybe the programme isn't just a modern-day fable about the dangers of incel culture.

ElizaMulvil · 26/01/2026 06:27

Poor white boys have poor educational outcomes for many reasons. Dating back to post WW2 at least girls have had better eg 11+ results. Many girls who had higher scores than boys ended up in Secondary Mods ( leaving at age 15 before exams because there were roughly the same number of places for both sexes in single sex Grammar Schools.)

Somehow we have got to the situation where in working class areas especially, there is football for boys but little else. ( Maybe some rugby.) Few boys do art, acting, music etc. Even gymnastics - (none in my granddaughter's class), horse riding no boys, dancing none. Why? Spanish boys ride horses, the Russians dance etc.

I think it starts early. I remember only one father coming to parents' evening in my inner city school. However I do remember groups of boys ( under 11) roaming the streets after 10pm. The parents would not allow their daughters to do the same but often the reaction of boys being noisy was 'get out!' so boys would get much less conversation / interaction with parents ( ie mothers and grandmothers) than their sisters. Fathers were often absent.

We need to reinstate support for parents of pre schoolers, free youth clubs, free sports centres, extend library opening times so children can visit at weekends and evenings to do homework etc., better pay, higher minimum wage, shorter hours etc.

Parents in poorer areas often work very long hours in poorly paid jobs or on night shifts or irregular hours so contact with children is sporadic. When research was done into what led to higher academic success the main correlation was whether the children ate with their parents. Cultures which enable this (Jewish? Chinese,? mothers and daughters? ) have better success academically.

NorthXNorthWest · 26/01/2026 09:33

TomPinch · 26/01/2026 04:52

Tangential, but a friend and I were discussing Adolescence and his view was that the protagonist was a manipulative monster who would always have turned out bad. Not sure about that interpretation myself but maybe the programme isn't just a modern-day fable about the dangers of incel culture.

I don't think it is a foregone conclusion. If you have a group who are so used to having exclusive rights over one group/ all the power, they will want to push back even if the power / rights have been unfairly balanced towards them. There are more likely to be sliding door moments when people can go one way or another when they are under pressure.

Scapegoating women for not wanting to be shackled is not the answer.

persephonia · 26/01/2026 12:49

ElizaMulvil · 26/01/2026 06:27

Poor white boys have poor educational outcomes for many reasons. Dating back to post WW2 at least girls have had better eg 11+ results. Many girls who had higher scores than boys ended up in Secondary Mods ( leaving at age 15 before exams because there were roughly the same number of places for both sexes in single sex Grammar Schools.)

Somehow we have got to the situation where in working class areas especially, there is football for boys but little else. ( Maybe some rugby.) Few boys do art, acting, music etc. Even gymnastics - (none in my granddaughter's class), horse riding no boys, dancing none. Why? Spanish boys ride horses, the Russians dance etc.

I think it starts early. I remember only one father coming to parents' evening in my inner city school. However I do remember groups of boys ( under 11) roaming the streets after 10pm. The parents would not allow their daughters to do the same but often the reaction of boys being noisy was 'get out!' so boys would get much less conversation / interaction with parents ( ie mothers and grandmothers) than their sisters. Fathers were often absent.

We need to reinstate support for parents of pre schoolers, free youth clubs, free sports centres, extend library opening times so children can visit at weekends and evenings to do homework etc., better pay, higher minimum wage, shorter hours etc.

Parents in poorer areas often work very long hours in poorly paid jobs or on night shifts or irregular hours so contact with children is sporadic. When research was done into what led to higher academic success the main correlation was whether the children ate with their parents. Cultures which enable this (Jewish? Chinese,? mothers and daughters? ) have better success academically.

It's not "somehow" though.
2008- financial banking crisis, government goes into massive debt bailing out the banks so the economy doesn't collapse
Austerity - big funding cuts which had a really bit impact on things like youth clubs, football clubs etc. The fact so money councils lost money when Iceland detailed didn't help either. The loss of even quite small sources of funding had impacts in myriads of ways
Cuts (once you adjust for inflation) in educational spending outside of London which disproportionately impacted working class areas. Plus the promotion of things like academies which aren't a bad idea in themselves but pulled funding from struggling schools. While girls and boys were equally likely to attend those underfunded schools, boys are more likely to be more negatively impacted by it.
End of sure start

I also agree families near personal responsibility for things like eating together as a family. And that boys have maybe always struggled with the sitting down and concentrating aspects of school than girls. But austerity saw a very clear worsening of the situation. I don't think it targeted boys. But they were disproportionately affected

Which makes it more annoying that people are determined to blame "woke" for boys struggles, or to question why women are shifting left. In economic policy they are not but what was hard right before (austerity) is now mainstream and what was moderate (public spending) is portrayed by the papers as hard left.

And somehow former banker Farage and his Tory friends will fix all this.

persephonia · 26/01/2026 12:50

Just in case it isn't clear I ws agreeing with you just ranting!

Imnobody4 · 26/01/2026 14:39

The end of Sure Start was the most damaging thing for working class boys. It the only policy strategy that could make a real difference.

Irkeddancer · 27/01/2026 13:08

RavelsDancer · 26/01/2026 03:18

Not just because of BeKind, I´m afraid, also because it allows them to absolutely destroy women who are against it. Never underestimate that. It allows handmaidens to kill the competition, who they (at least deep down) know is smarter.

Competition for what?

Echobelly · 27/01/2026 13:34

Of course women skew to the left generally, because we know how much we have to lose. I'm 'only' 48 but my mum would not have been allowed to take out a mortgage in her own name at the age I did (23), so it's really not that far behind us. Unfortunately women are not equal - our rights are not inalienable, as the ripping down on Roe vs Wade in the US has shown. We could still have our bodily autonomy removed, still be prevented from accessing finance, still have our rights to contest unfair treatment removed if the people in power feel like it.

Men are continually told how much they have 'lost' and this is blamed on women and feminism rather than capitalism, which we have all lost out to. So no, men are not always 'the breadwinner' anymore because most couples have to work to keep a roof over their heads, but capitalism does not seem to offer men any other familial role. The only 'rights' men have lost is to abuse or rape their wives, which was never a valid one in the first place... although again, that could come back if enough people voted for it.

Bertiebiscuit · 28/02/2026 10:05

Men have never cared about the situation of women. Where were the protests when women couldn't get mortgages, loans, sign rent agreements, when rape in marriage was perfectly legal and DV wasn't even talked about? No refuges or rape crisis lines, no problem with unequal pay and unequal job prospects. The lefty men were busy protesting apartheid and fighting to keep women out of Trades Unions. Thanks guys. Nothing changes.

NorthXNorthWest · 28/02/2026 10:22

Echobelly · 27/01/2026 13:34

Of course women skew to the left generally, because we know how much we have to lose. I'm 'only' 48 but my mum would not have been allowed to take out a mortgage in her own name at the age I did (23), so it's really not that far behind us. Unfortunately women are not equal - our rights are not inalienable, as the ripping down on Roe vs Wade in the US has shown. We could still have our bodily autonomy removed, still be prevented from accessing finance, still have our rights to contest unfair treatment removed if the people in power feel like it.

Men are continually told how much they have 'lost' and this is blamed on women and feminism rather than capitalism, which we have all lost out to. So no, men are not always 'the breadwinner' anymore because most couples have to work to keep a roof over their heads, but capitalism does not seem to offer men any other familial role. The only 'rights' men have lost is to abuse or rape their wives, which was never a valid one in the first place... although again, that could come back if enough people voted for it.

The left have no more to offer than the right.

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 23:59

1984Now · 22/01/2026 16:54

I'm a Right voter, and even I can see the cover being given to what's been deemed the Woke Right..everything is the fault of migrants, rising hostility to Jews, zero sum on ethno-nationalism. They're carrying on from a decade of cultural dominance and crush from the left, starting with the Great Awokening, anti-Trumpism, lockdowns/Floyd/BLM/cancel culture re trans politics.
Right now, young men are very strongly lining up behind Farage (and Trump), young women are feeling triggered enough to go Team Polanski.
Despite our Zack being TWAW and the Boob Whisperer Supreme, a decade of the Great Awokening has radicalised them left taking BeKind and DontJudge to while new levels of putting themselves last, because this has been their only programming since high school, and they see Farage Jenrick Trump Vance Musk Milei Fuentes Rogan etc as literally the Devil.
What this is doing to the relations between young men and women, I hate to think

Edited

Hang on a minute. Surely Nick Fuentes IS extreme?

The others I agree, are not. Though Milei is arguably an unpleasant character. Argentine politics is anyway a different kettle of fish from US & UK.

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:01

RavelsDancer · 26/01/2026 03:18

Not just because of BeKind, I´m afraid, also because it allows them to absolutely destroy women who are against it. Never underestimate that. It allows handmaidens to kill the competition, who they (at least deep down) know is smarter.

Competition for what?

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:02

inkognitha · 24/01/2026 14:24

To keep it very short, I believe we address young men negatively or neutrally. It s either Adolescence dumped on them, or “let’s stop VAWG” like we don’t know where it’s coming from.

Where do we see “a real man doesn’t
etc.” or positive male models? I think it would work better.

This

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:05

1984Now · 24/01/2026 15:11

I never understood the virulent reaction to Peterson, to the left he's almost as much a devil as Thatcher Trump Musk Vance Farage Tate.
What? For telling young men to find focus, motivation, self respect and respect for others, including women. To put aside selfishness for being good partners and fathers.
Sure, he can be pompous and verbose and prissy...but a hate figure?

Personally I find Peterson's books fine, it's other statements he's made elsewhere that make me sceptical. Eg. Saying that men tend to rise to the top of the hierarchy due to greater competence.

Otoh he seems quite pro-woman in some ways. Eg. Talking about how he helped female clients get ahead at work through assertiveness training. Ironically I've listened to his wife Tammy on podcasts and she seems more socially conservative on women's roles than he is.

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:12

1984Now · 24/01/2026 16:26

I do get the line from very influential/counter culture tripping into guru/worldwide fame and visibility into prissy thin skinned and maybe even hypocritical.
I mean, who is getting it right?
I'd say JKR is unusual in being a public figure who's forthright and fearless, but hasn't descended into parody or self aggrandizing disappointment.
Looks like Mark Carney is being built into some sort of liberal third way warrior/maybe even role model for men based on one speech that's tacitly anti Trump, and generally anti populist.
Good luck with his ethos becoming the voice of reason for men, he being one of the most prominent gate keepers for the system that's led us to this sorry state precludes him being an honest broker for men going forwards in the 21st century.
Nope, the male role models may genuinely have to be...everyday men themselves. Because there are no prominent visible men right now seemingly saying very much that's relevant.
Women? Plenty, starting with JKR.

Edited

I think a key thing is that JKR has always been protective of her privacy. Peterson made himself a public figure in a very personal, arguably to some extent parasocial way, and I think this would put a strain on anyone.

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:16

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/01/2026 07:24

That's a definite possibility, women and girls do seem to be more easily conned than the male of the species. We all have our blind spots, both men and women fall for rubbish, if the claims about Tate's influence on young men are to be believed, we got trouble on both sides. The influence the post-modernists have over women is more dangerous and corrosive, than individuals like Tate exert, even with SM.

I'm not convinced by that : Tate and more broadly sexualised misogyny generally causes a lot of harm : look at the dangerous upsurge in sexual choking, or anal sex pushed by boys due to porn trends.

Personally I think men & boys are just as easily conned but usually about different things. Sexuality has manipulated some boys & some men into stuff like AGP, strangling, red pill theory. And misplaced empathy has got women behind 'be kind' etc

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:19

TempestTost · 22/01/2026 17:31

Yes, I think this is maybe under-recognised. It's much more comfortable to think women are just too kind for their own good.

But there is a certain number who retain the middle school desire for social dominance and seem to really enjoy power over others. And all the better if they can do it while feeling self-righteous about it.

People like that won't open their eyes when they see what GI really is, because for them it is a vehicle to assert power.

This. It begs the question though of why they don't see potential danger? Do they really not worry about loo, changing room, school etc. Issues if self ID goes through?

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:23

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/01/2026 14:12

I can't say I've spoken to a lot of men young and old but the ones I have spoken too are feeling very left out and victimised.

The trend that they're picking up on (rightly or wrongly, who knows!) is that DEI includes everyone but them. They see others getting preferential treatment just because they're not white, they feel like they're being blamed for every trouble in the world because they're male.

Despite the prevailing ideology, most youngsters still want what they always wanted, a job, a wife/partner, children, a house, a future and right now a lot of them are feeling like that's not going to be possible and they don't have a Plan B.

What's notable is that young white men feel particularly disenfranchised but they tend to blame women in general only, rather than young black or brown men who have also benefited from DEI.

Carla786 · 11/04/2026 00:24

1984Now · 22/01/2026 10:52

They don't hate them so much, as really don't care.

Do you think most men don't care about women's issues? Eg. Rape, the effects of porn, etc

If so, why?

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