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A fissure between men and women is reshaping British politics

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IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 18:43

Among UK voters, gender is emerging as a new dividing line across political views and social attitudes – suggesting Britons are becoming more like Americans.
From https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/01/21/a-fissure-between-men-and-women-reshaping-british-politics/
Also in full at https://archive.is/z5qZd

Nost sure if this is the right link, but article says it is based on NatCen - maybe this? https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/demographic-divides-what-drives-attitudes-uk-and-us

A fissure between men and women is reshaping British politics
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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:01

Well as all of this genderwang in the UK is copycatting the USA it doesn't surprise that this divisive ideology is causing the same dividing lines here as well.

Rhaidimiddim · 21/01/2026 21:07

For me it has been an eye-opener just how little men care about women's rights. Particularly the extent to which so many male commentators just don't see a problem, and open their stupid mouths to express an opinion without having done any research or thinking on the subject.

IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 21:12

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:01

Well as all of this genderwang in the UK is copycatting the USA it doesn't surprise that this divisive ideology is causing the same dividing lines here as well.

Did you read the article?

As more women are turning to Labour and the Greens accoring to these statistics, this implies they are behind the pro trans position of these parties.

And that men aren't and are becoming more right wing.

So given the purpose of this forum we should be directing our energies towards men to help re-establish women's sex based rights?

Confused
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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:16

IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 21:12

Did you read the article?

As more women are turning to Labour and the Greens accoring to these statistics, this implies they are behind the pro trans position of these parties.

And that men aren't and are becoming more right wing.

So given the purpose of this forum we should be directing our energies towards men to help re-establish women's sex based rights?

Confused

Yes, like I said copycatting.

IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 21:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:16

Yes, like I said copycatting.

But nothing whatsoever to do with gender!

So clearly whether the US or the UK women going more left and men more right is not because of issues around gender identity and women's sex based rights.

There is no link!

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:24

Gender is just apart of it, the young women are buying into it because it's #BeKind, the boys are not buying into it it because it's demonising them, toxic masculinity, potential rapist, white, pale and stale. Genderwang covers the whole of the post-modern claptrap, QT, CRT and GI, they are all heads of the same Hydra.

TempestTost · 21/01/2026 22:51

Rhaidimiddim · 21/01/2026 21:07

For me it has been an eye-opener just how little men care about women's rights. Particularly the extent to which so many male commentators just don't see a problem, and open their stupid mouths to express an opinion without having done any research or thinking on the subject.

However the stats seem to show that the women are the ones voting more often for the parties that are ignoring or attacking women's rights.

Skybunnee · 21/01/2026 22:55

Men (podcasters, journalists) cannot bring themselves to say the trans women cannot eg compete in women’s sport -it’s always ‘ it’s a very difficult problem’ ‘we need to be fair to everyone’ - almost never hear a proper answer- Rory and Alistair I’m looking at you -just lying cowards imv

NorthXNorthWest · 21/01/2026 23:00

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/01/2026 21:24

Gender is just apart of it, the young women are buying into it because it's #BeKind, the boys are not buying into it it because it's demonising them, toxic masculinity, potential rapist, white, pale and stale. Genderwang covers the whole of the post-modern claptrap, QT, CRT and GI, they are all heads of the same Hydra.

Is it demonising them or shining a light? Even Stephen Bartlett is at it.

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2026 00:29

It's been like this for some considerable time. This isn't new. The trend dates back at least ten years.

I'm not sure why this is being touted as something new.

silverwrath · 22/01/2026 00:58

IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 21:12

Did you read the article?

As more women are turning to Labour and the Greens accoring to these statistics, this implies they are behind the pro trans position of these parties.

And that men aren't and are becoming more right wing.

So given the purpose of this forum we should be directing our energies towards men to help re-establish women's sex based rights?

Confused

'this implies they are behind the pro trans position of these parties.'

No. It doesn't. Believe it or not, the trans issue is only fraction of the political narrative. You can vote for a political party and not agree with their stance on gender identity bullshit.

I voted Labour in the last election simply to get the fucking Tories out. I certainly didn't agree with their stance on genderwoo.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2026 01:20

As Red said, the divide between men and women on gender identity isn’t new. Women both have more empathy (whether misplaced or not) and are more likely to respond to manipulative emotional blackmail than men.

Cocomelon67 · 22/01/2026 01:28

TempestTost · 21/01/2026 22:51

However the stats seem to show that the women are the ones voting more often for the parties that are ignoring or attacking women's rights.

I think this is complex. Women are more likely to vote with community (including extended family and children) in mind. I am gender critical but wouldn’t vote for the conservatives whose values and appalling track record with public services and morals I oppose. I did vote Labour even though I thought they’d got it wrong about gender. I think the key thing is what are the policies that people are voting based off.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2026 01:34

Cocomelon67 · 22/01/2026 01:28

I think this is complex. Women are more likely to vote with community (including extended family and children) in mind. I am gender critical but wouldn’t vote for the conservatives whose values and appalling track record with public services and morals I oppose. I did vote Labour even though I thought they’d got it wrong about gender. I think the key thing is what are the policies that people are voting based off.

Yes, I think this point is important.

Heggettypeg · 22/01/2026 03:36

Judging by that diagram, a far more significant shift is the one towards left of centre, measured by age rather than sex.

Greenfinch7 · 22/01/2026 03:51

TempestTost · 21/01/2026 22:51

However the stats seem to show that the women are the ones voting more often for the parties that are ignoring or attacking women's rights.

If you think the right wing (especially in the US) is supportive of women's rights, you are letting your views on trans issues hold disproportionate importance in your thinking.

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2026 07:12

What I take away from the chart is that both young men and women are more supportive of ‘liberal’ parties but more young women support the Green Party than young men. However, as we get older, we all get more conservative (or wiser or more cynical or have more skin in the financial game take your pick).

This is not surprising. Women are socially conditioned to bekind and make way for men. It often takes a lifetime of getting fed up of being the default support animal for the scales to fall from our eyes. The answer is to stop socialising our DDs to bekind but that’s difficult because we’re still in the bekind phase ourselves when doing our early parenting.

Politically it’s tricky these days. Even within parties, policy preferences are mixed. It’s not a clear cut case of this party serves all my interests and this one doesn’t. It’s not working class = Labour and money = Conservatives. It’s hard to know who to vote for.

First of all, none of them serve all of women’s rights anymore. But what if you’re a landlord who supports Labour on public services but finds themselves unable to evict nightmare tenants because backbenchers are threatening to rebel (again) if rental reform is watered down.

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2026 07:13

Greenfinch7 · 22/01/2026 03:51

If you think the right wing (especially in the US) is supportive of women's rights, you are letting your views on trans issues hold disproportionate importance in your thinking.

None of them support women’s rights. None of them. They only attack them from different angles.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 22/01/2026 07:46

"Gender" in this article has nothing to do with Genderism, it's bring used as a synonym for sex. The article is just saying there's a notable difference between which parties women and men are voting for especially at the younger end,

AirborneElephant · 22/01/2026 09:04

I think you’re giving way too much weight to trans issues in voting patterns. Most people of both sexes just don’t really care or know much about it. And I certainly agree with a pp that the absolute last place I’d look to support women’s rights is the far right. The same group in the US who are vehemently anti trans also call for a complete ban on abortion and for wives to be prevented from voting “against” their husbands.

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2026 09:54

Heggettypeg · 22/01/2026 03:36

Judging by that diagram, a far more significant shift is the one towards left of centre, measured by age rather than sex.

It's more or less exactly the same as it was before the election except the conservative vote has collapsed in the older ages and the labour vote has collapsed in the younger age groups. And even that is in line with the Remain / Brexit split within each age group and economic divide (generation rent)

I find it a really bizarre article and view point to suggest there has been massive changes in political views. There really hasn't been.

It essentially comes down to younger voters wanting cheaper housing, a more affluent life and to take wealth from the older generations because they don't think it's fair whilst the older generations think the younger ones are entitled and grabby and need to work harder.

Meanwhile us Xennials are stuck right slap bang in the centre thinking everyone is a bunch of wankers who are disconnected from reality...

1984Now · 22/01/2026 10:39

Rhaidimiddim · 21/01/2026 21:07

For me it has been an eye-opener just how little men care about women's rights. Particularly the extent to which so many male commentators just don't see a problem, and open their stupid mouths to express an opinion without having done any research or thinking on the subject.

True story. I was sitting down for coffee with a local business owner, male, moderate GC, and a local councillor, female, very GC, who'd been effectively censured by her national party a year ago for GC views she broadcast freely at the election.
As we regaled him with her tales of woe (former colleagues and friends shunning her in public, on indefinite party suspension), he showed curiosity and registered it was wrong, but it didn't seem to phase him in any way. Indeed he found a few reasons why it would have been better off if she'd said nothing, or that her views at the very least might have led to some hurt.
I'd call him likely the majority view, low level GC that the whole thing around trans is a bit weird, but that it registers pretty low, and cancelling, freeze on free speech is really not that big a deal, and no real understanding (other than sports or prisons) why TIMs should be excluded en masse from women's spaces.
I had another discussion with a group of moderate GC people, all thoughtful individuals. Only me and a woman present showed heartfelt opinions. Indeed I was quizzed as to why I was so emotional on this matter (borderline ranty that day).
Of course, once the chat went onto Farage, Trump, Musk, then the group were literally ranty themselves. That's ok of course. GCs must be moderate, but anti fascists must be loud.
My conclusion? Most people are default GC. But there's a spectrum on this, more ambiguity on using pronouns and men in social spaces. Only when we get to sports, prisons, refuges, maybe toilets, then the mainstream GCs are more opinionated.
But even then, there's no righteous anger.
Short of that, I'm realizing more and more this is a non issue for most men, and actually a larger number of women than you'd guess.
And it kills conversations stone dead.
Whereas animated chat on Farage Trump Musk...thus can go on all.night, escalating anger levels.
I'm still cogitating on what this means for society, voting intentions in 2029 etc.

Rhaidimiddim · 22/01/2026 10:45

Skybunnee · 21/01/2026 22:55

Men (podcasters, journalists) cannot bring themselves to say the trans women cannot eg compete in women’s sport -it’s always ‘ it’s a very difficult problem’ ‘we need to be fair to everyone’ - almost never hear a proper answer- Rory and Alistair I’m looking at you -just lying cowards imv

Ian Hislop was the biggest disappointment for me. Followed by Lineker.

ETA - I'm old enough to remember when Germaine Greer first said that women have no idea how much men hate them. I thought, at the time, steady on love, that's a big severe. But by God was she right - I had no idea, and they do!

1984Now · 22/01/2026 10:52

Rhaidimiddim · 22/01/2026 10:45

Ian Hislop was the biggest disappointment for me. Followed by Lineker.

ETA - I'm old enough to remember when Germaine Greer first said that women have no idea how much men hate them. I thought, at the time, steady on love, that's a big severe. But by God was she right - I had no idea, and they do!

Edited

They don't hate them so much, as really don't care.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 22/01/2026 10:53

IwantToRetire · 21/01/2026 21:12

Did you read the article?

As more women are turning to Labour and the Greens accoring to these statistics, this implies they are behind the pro trans position of these parties.

And that men aren't and are becoming more right wing.

So given the purpose of this forum we should be directing our energies towards men to help re-establish women's sex based rights?

Confused

No, it simply reflects the fact that most people don't vote on the basis of the transgender issue alone.

The right wing parties will do nothing for women's rights, and you will be wasting your energy if you target them.

There are plenty of people on the left who don't buy into gender ideology.

ETA I have read your subsequent post,, and see now that this is kind of the point that you were making, OP. Apologies.