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Looking at men differently now I know too much?

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clingfilmed · 16/01/2026 17:10

In recent years I've seen so much in the news and online about men's abuse and violence towards women. A man who looks totally normal and pleasant and is perhaps in many ways a good man might still be going home and creating fake AI nudes of women he knows or watching extreme porn or abusing his wife or kids or using prostitutes or cam girls or has a fetish that degrades and dehumanises women or is a complete misogynist.

There is a post on the relationships board now where a married man is hoping that just because a mum of his sons friend has been friendly towards him she might fancy him and be up for it.

Then looking at many of the men I know day to day how they talk to and interact with their wives and families is depressing to see, almost like they don't care at all.

I know its not every man, I know some men who I do think are good. I do look back to the rose tinted days of my teens when I would idealise boys and think they were so amazing and now knowing what I do about general trends and some men in particular its quite a disappointment.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/02/2026 22:23

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:20

What is AI no?

A new computer women hating man, from the USA, basements compulsory. Insert your own commas. Keep up.

Namelessnelly · 01/02/2026 22:25

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:20

What is AI no?

You don’t know what AI is?

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:36

Namelessnelly · 01/02/2026 22:25

You don’t know what AI is?

Of course I know what AI is, but that poster said 'this has got to be AI no' and I have no idea what 'AI no' is.

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BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/02/2026 22:23

A new computer women hating man, from the USA, basements compulsory. Insert your own commas. Keep up.

I can honestly say I have never heard of 'AI no.' (You said this has got to be 'AI no.')

'AI' I have heard of. 'AI no' is a new one on me.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/02/2026 22:40

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:36

Of course I know what AI is, but that poster said 'this has got to be AI no' and I have no idea what 'AI no' is.

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Edited

It was really so difficult to differentiate- ‘this has got be AI, no?, from, ‘this has got to be AI no’.

Fuck me.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/02/2026 22:41

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 22:38

I can honestly say I have never heard of 'AI no.' (You said this has got to be 'AI no.')

'AI' I have heard of. 'AI no' is a new one on me.

🤣🤣🤣

Catiette · 01/02/2026 22:50

GaIadriel · 01/02/2026 22:08

No, I'm saying the opposite. Most studies show the figures being close or women perpetrating more. That's how they reached this conclusion after analysing 10,000 studies.

It's only crime data that seems to be completely at odds, which may be down to the fact that men report much less than women according to the biggest DV charities.

But even gov data finds women perpetrating in 42% of cases, so men wouldn't need to be under-reporting by much. Funnily enough we only ever see crime data posted on here, never any of the many other studies. 🤔

men report much less than women according to the biggest DV charities

You're resolved to stick to the facts - great! The difficulty with this is, that there are a lot of facts, reading of these can be selective and stats can be distorted. That's been the focus of my posts above, but I'm not sure you've acknowledged it yet. For example, you discounted the author of the below italicised quote on the basis that she's an activist and apparently not much more. I could discount your refs to charities, above, for similar reasons, of course. But the fact is that neither of us (I assume) has read Kimmel, her source.

‘It’s harder for men to report, there’s much more of a taboo for men’

Exactly the opposite:

  • men are more – not less – likely to call the police
  • men are more likely – not less – to support a prosecution
  • men are less likely – not more – withdraw their support of charges.1

1 Kimmel 2002

In the absence of a comprehensive, expert knowledge of this issue, we are all left, to some degree, to common sense and real-life experience, which are far from invalid in many contexts - let alone one relating to two groups with a difference in strength of up to 160% and of which one is statistically responsible for 98%+ of sexual crime (and an overwhelming proportion of physical violence that inflicts hospitalising damage). I mean, come on - 160% and 98%? You rarely get more dramatically significant differences than these! You cited something around 70% in relation to Islamic terrorism earlier as similarly significant.

In this context of this quite extraordinary disparity in both the capacity to inflict life-ending harm and the readiness to do so, trying to counter this with alternative narratives really does come across as a bit NAMALT/WATM.

Put simply, Yes, men can be victims, too, and their suffering shouldn't be disregarded.

But do men face relative certainty that the other half of the population could kill them with their bare hands should they simply so choose? No, they don't! Do they live with the same risk of abduction and/or extended abuse for another's depraved gratification, should the whim so take a passing individual on a wintry walk home? No, they don't. And, however low this latter risk, will this certainty of vulnerability to extraordinary unpleasantnesses have an immeasurable (and I choose this word in quite deliberate opposition to some of the selective pedantry above) effect on women's lives? Yes, it bloody well will.

This isn't to say that women "win" the debate - or, worse, are quintessential victims. This isn't to dismiss men's experiences. It's simply to say that this is many women's lived reality globally, whether they suffer with trauma-induced fear, or walk alert with their keys in their hand after each good night out.

I do sometimes wonder why lived experience - awful tautology! - seems to be validated to an almost absurd degree in all contexts excepting that of women, which is, conversely, challenged and dismissed as inaccurate / invalid / a dangerous victim-complex etc. - and as needing an impossible standard of peer-reviewed evidence to be so much as voiced.

Catiette · 01/02/2026 23:12

Batchcookbabe's running scared...

Catiette · 01/02/2026 23:12

Hm. Image missing. No matter!

BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 23:14

Catiette · 01/02/2026 23:12

Batchcookbabe's running scared...

I am indeed running scared no?

😂

Sorry I was just having a laugh @AccidentallyWesAnderson People saying something/asking something and adding 'no' on the end is just really weird IMO, so I thought I'd have a bit of a giggle with you.

Sorry. 😘

Catiette · 01/02/2026 23:16

Now I need to kill my cartoon joke by describing it. Or... second attempt...

It may take a while - MN think's it's sensitive. Only to punctuation pedants, I promise (they may want to hide their eyes)... 😁

Looking at men differently now I know too much?
BatchCookBabe · 01/02/2026 23:20

@Catiette 😆 That's funny! Grin

Myalternate · 01/02/2026 23:41

I love men. My husband, my boys, my father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, nephews, the men I’ve dated (I’ve remained friendly with all) men I worked with. In fact 99% of the men I’ve ever interacted with throughout my life. I trust them because I know them but why should other women take me at my word and trust them too?

I have been sexually harassed and abused by men that were strangers to me. It may be only 1% of the men I’ve met but that 1% means I don’t trust ALL men.

If I had to choose to be locked in a darkened room with strangers 50 men or 50 women, I’d not pick the room with 50 men.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:11

Namelessnelly · 01/02/2026 22:15

Uh huh. Sure buddy sure. But what I don’t get is…. if women are so dangerous, why do men with a trans identity think they’ll be safer in women’s spaces? I mean, surely, if men are so innocent and no offending, they’d be safer with men.

Well, men are particularly violent towards other men. And I'm not saying women are 'dangerous' to men. Men are much stronger and able to deal with an attack. This can be true at the same time as women lashing out more frequently also being true.

I find that people whose identity/belief systems are strongly attached to a particular ideology often have a very idealistic view of the world. The sisterhood standing in solidarity against the oppressive patriarchy etc. But this isn't what I actually see in the world. One look at this website will evidence that a lot of the threads are moaning about something or other. Often other women (MIL/friends/workmates/school mums/etc).

By contrast I frequent a lot of male dominated forums due to having interests like strength training and heavy vehicles which tend to be more typically male interests. There's nowhere near the amount of petty bickering that there is on here, even if men are much more likely to start posturing and fighting each other when drunk etc.

With married couples it's very often the woman that has her husband walking on eggshells, hence sayings like "happy wife, happy life". My mother was like this. I can absolutely believe that women create a lot of the drama in relationships, a small proportion of which leads to them losing their tempers and lashing out. Certainly women seem much more interested in day to drama, which likely explains why we're the main viewers of reality TV and Love Island was/maybe still is the most popular show on TV. Men don't care about this sort of shit nearly as much and studies have shown that they're more able to disagree with each other and move on from it.

Hormones have a significant effect on behaviour too. Oestrogen can be linked to emotional dysregulation just like how testosterone can be linked to risk taking and aggression. Men on TRT often need an aromatose inhibitor and one of the first signs of high e2 is feeling unusually emotional.

And a lot of women don't seem to make a distinction between being a victim and identifying as a victim, which aren't always the same thing.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:32

Catiette · 01/02/2026 23:16

Now I need to kill my cartoon joke by describing it. Or... second attempt...

It may take a while - MN think's it's sensitive. Only to punctuation pedants, I promise (they may want to hide their eyes)... 😁

This isn't inaccurate tbf. Although the UK gov seems reticent to publish 'controversial' stats like perpetration rates by gender and ethnicity, we have plenty of data from the US.

Based on National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS) data, mothers are the most common perpetrators of child maltreatment, with studies showing they account for a majority of cases, often due to higher rates of child neglect.

Key NCANDS Data Regarding Mothers and Abuse

Perpetrator Demographics

  • Approximately 54% of perpetrators are female, while 45% are male.
  • Biological Parents: Of the 81% of perpetrators who are parents, 88% are biological parents, the vast majority of whom are mothers.
  • Neglect vs. Physical Abuse: Mother perpetrators are more likely to be involved in neglect cases, but they also have a higher likelihood of child removal than fathers in cases of both physical abuse and neglect.
GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 00:37

I can think 90% of men are rubbish without idealizing women. My own mum sided with my rapist over me. Think about that. It doesn't leave me with a high opinion of women. Almost everyone I know who was sexually abused as a child had the same thing - when their mum found out, it was too difficult or painful to leave their husband or turn their son into the police. I'd still rather take my chances in a locked darkened room full of 50 women I don't know than 50 men I don't know.

“Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. They all have the same vulnerability to rape, to battery, as children to incest. Poorer women have more vulnerability to prostitution, which is basically a form of sexual exploitation that is intolerable in an egalitarian society, which is the society we are fighting for.”
Andrea Dworkin

Feminists are not saying all women are wonderful.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 02/02/2026 02:11

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:32

This isn't inaccurate tbf. Although the UK gov seems reticent to publish 'controversial' stats like perpetration rates by gender and ethnicity, we have plenty of data from the US.

Based on National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS) data, mothers are the most common perpetrators of child maltreatment, with studies showing they account for a majority of cases, often due to higher rates of child neglect.

Key NCANDS Data Regarding Mothers and Abuse

Perpetrator Demographics

  • Approximately 54% of perpetrators are female, while 45% are male.
  • Biological Parents: Of the 81% of perpetrators who are parents, 88% are biological parents, the vast majority of whom are mothers.
  • Neglect vs. Physical Abuse: Mother perpetrators are more likely to be involved in neglect cases, but they also have a higher likelihood of child removal than fathers in cases of both physical abuse and neglect.

I think I explained upthread that this is because women spend way way more time around their kids than men do, so they have a much bigger opportunity to offend.

Neglect vs. Physical Abuse: Mother perpetrators are more likely to be involved in neglect cases

What is "neglect" here? Because Relationships is full of women griping that "D"H does nothing for the kids and she ends up doing it all. Isn't he committing neglect, and the only reason why the kid isn't hurt is because mum steps up? If the kid is subject to a "hot potato" rule where the last parent to care for the child prior to the neglect is deemed at fault, then of course women will seem to perpetrate more neglect.

The man who has left the family and won't even see his kids isn't deemed neglectful but the woman left literally holding the baby is deemed neglectful if she forgets a feed? This is the kind of thing I mean when I talk about the system being rigged against women.

Namelessnelly · 02/02/2026 05:09

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:11

Well, men are particularly violent towards other men. And I'm not saying women are 'dangerous' to men. Men are much stronger and able to deal with an attack. This can be true at the same time as women lashing out more frequently also being true.

I find that people whose identity/belief systems are strongly attached to a particular ideology often have a very idealistic view of the world. The sisterhood standing in solidarity against the oppressive patriarchy etc. But this isn't what I actually see in the world. One look at this website will evidence that a lot of the threads are moaning about something or other. Often other women (MIL/friends/workmates/school mums/etc).

By contrast I frequent a lot of male dominated forums due to having interests like strength training and heavy vehicles which tend to be more typically male interests. There's nowhere near the amount of petty bickering that there is on here, even if men are much more likely to start posturing and fighting each other when drunk etc.

With married couples it's very often the woman that has her husband walking on eggshells, hence sayings like "happy wife, happy life". My mother was like this. I can absolutely believe that women create a lot of the drama in relationships, a small proportion of which leads to them losing their tempers and lashing out. Certainly women seem much more interested in day to drama, which likely explains why we're the main viewers of reality TV and Love Island was/maybe still is the most popular show on TV. Men don't care about this sort of shit nearly as much and studies have shown that they're more able to disagree with each other and move on from it.

Hormones have a significant effect on behaviour too. Oestrogen can be linked to emotional dysregulation just like how testosterone can be linked to risk taking and aggression. Men on TRT often need an aromatose inhibitor and one of the first signs of high e2 is feeling unusually emotional.

And a lot of women don't seem to make a distinction between being a victim and identifying as a victim, which aren't always the same thing.

You REALLY don’t like women do you? I don’t know who hurt you but I’m gently suggesting therapy. Your hatred of women is really not healthy. I don’t know why you’re on a feminist board demeaning and putting women down but I think it’s something you need to work on.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 05:41

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 02/02/2026 02:11

I think I explained upthread that this is because women spend way way more time around their kids than men do, so they have a much bigger opportunity to offend.

Neglect vs. Physical Abuse: Mother perpetrators are more likely to be involved in neglect cases

What is "neglect" here? Because Relationships is full of women griping that "D"H does nothing for the kids and she ends up doing it all. Isn't he committing neglect, and the only reason why the kid isn't hurt is because mum steps up? If the kid is subject to a "hot potato" rule where the last parent to care for the child prior to the neglect is deemed at fault, then of course women will seem to perpetrate more neglect.

The man who has left the family and won't even see his kids isn't deemed neglectful but the woman left literally holding the baby is deemed neglectful if she forgets a feed? This is the kind of thing I mean when I talk about the system being rigged against women.

Edited

I don't doubt you're right, but we only see this rationalisation when it comes to female perpetration. You're not falling over yourself to explain that men are more violent due to testosterone/evolution etc.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 05:47

Namelessnelly · 02/02/2026 05:09

You REALLY don’t like women do you? I don’t know who hurt you but I’m gently suggesting therapy. Your hatred of women is really not healthy. I don’t know why you’re on a feminist board demeaning and putting women down but I think it’s something you need to work on.

I've actually no issue with either sex, which makes me an outlier on here. If we're going to discuss the negative aspects of men then it's only fair to do the same for women. Nobody is singing the praises of men, however.

If you were listing all the good things men do then I'd point out that women make a lot of sacrifices that are often disregarded. Like when the man thinks he's the hero for going out to work yet doesn't lift a finger at home.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 05:48

But yes I would say that not feeding your baby is neglectful.

Namelessnelly · 02/02/2026 05:53

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 05:48

But yes I would say that not feeding your baby is neglectful.

I’d say men running out on their children leaving the women to bring them up is neglectful. And those avoiding supporting their children are even worse. I lobe the fact you’ve come onto a thread about women saying why they sometimes fear men, and said it “but women do it too”. You’ve said men are stronger than women, so basically any man attacking a woman is a coward and a bully. Have you thought about telling men they should do better.

Catiette · 02/02/2026 09:17

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:32

This isn't inaccurate tbf. Although the UK gov seems reticent to publish 'controversial' stats like perpetration rates by gender and ethnicity, we have plenty of data from the US.

Based on National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS) data, mothers are the most common perpetrators of child maltreatment, with studies showing they account for a majority of cases, often due to higher rates of child neglect.

Key NCANDS Data Regarding Mothers and Abuse

Perpetrator Demographics

  • Approximately 54% of perpetrators are female, while 45% are male.
  • Biological Parents: Of the 81% of perpetrators who are parents, 88% are biological parents, the vast majority of whom are mothers.
  • Neglect vs. Physical Abuse: Mother perpetrators are more likely to be involved in neglect cases, but they also have a higher likelihood of child removal than fathers in cases of both physical abuse and neglect.

Does this take into account tha there is no father in 1 in 7 UK families?

Which simultaneously absolves him, to a considerable degree, from the likelihood of perpetrating neglect...

...while also putting the mother under extraordinary pressures that could contribute to the likelihood of her struggling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-22820829

Catiette · 02/02/2026 09:33

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 00:11

Well, men are particularly violent towards other men. And I'm not saying women are 'dangerous' to men. Men are much stronger and able to deal with an attack. This can be true at the same time as women lashing out more frequently also being true.

I find that people whose identity/belief systems are strongly attached to a particular ideology often have a very idealistic view of the world. The sisterhood standing in solidarity against the oppressive patriarchy etc. But this isn't what I actually see in the world. One look at this website will evidence that a lot of the threads are moaning about something or other. Often other women (MIL/friends/workmates/school mums/etc).

By contrast I frequent a lot of male dominated forums due to having interests like strength training and heavy vehicles which tend to be more typically male interests. There's nowhere near the amount of petty bickering that there is on here, even if men are much more likely to start posturing and fighting each other when drunk etc.

With married couples it's very often the woman that has her husband walking on eggshells, hence sayings like "happy wife, happy life". My mother was like this. I can absolutely believe that women create a lot of the drama in relationships, a small proportion of which leads to them losing their tempers and lashing out. Certainly women seem much more interested in day to drama, which likely explains why we're the main viewers of reality TV and Love Island was/maybe still is the most popular show on TV. Men don't care about this sort of shit nearly as much and studies have shown that they're more able to disagree with each other and move on from it.

Hormones have a significant effect on behaviour too. Oestrogen can be linked to emotional dysregulation just like how testosterone can be linked to risk taking and aggression. Men on TRT often need an aromatose inhibitor and one of the first signs of high e2 is feeling unusually emotional.

And a lot of women don't seem to make a distinction between being a victim and identifying as a victim, which aren't always the same thing.

No disagreement with some of this - I personally think it's fairly clear that men and women have different ways of engaging with the world and managing (or not!) conflict.

But, again, there are nuances which are missed. For example...

  • To what degree are these differences nature or nurture - in part, themselves, the product of patriarchy?
  • I find your language interesting - "lashing out", "moaning", "petty bickering". It's arguably somewhat misogynistic. Certainly, I'd suggest that it reflects a value system which celebrates perceived masculine stoicism ("the strong, silent type") over less inhibited communication of thought, feeling and emotion.
  • With the weight of household duties falling disproportionately heavily on women, women are arguably under considerably more pressure in the domestic context.

"Happy wife, happy life" is, from a feminist perspective, a rather insulting dismissal of the challenges women face in the domestic sphere. From this perspective, "nagging" becomes "desperately attempting to share the lod more equally" and "in a mood", "frustrated by hubby's dismissal of these efforts"!

This isn't to justify emotional abuse by any means (obviously!) In fact, in a way, I'm playing devil's advocate for the sheer interest of it - but I do think it's true that there are complex realities behind the stats that I'm not sure you acknowledge.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210518-the-hidden-load-how-thinking-of-everything-holds-mums-back

mother juggling kids at house door

The hidden load: How 'thinking of everything' holds mums back

When it comes to household responsibilities, women perform far more cognitive and emotional labour than men. Why is this, and is there anything we can do about it?

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210518-the-hidden-load-how-thinking-of-everything-holds-mums-back

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 02/02/2026 09:56

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 05:41

I don't doubt you're right, but we only see this rationalisation when it comes to female perpetration. You're not falling over yourself to explain that men are more violent due to testosterone/evolution etc.

"More violent because testosterone" isn't the same as "does over ten times more childcare in the first year" and you know it.