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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Life sentence in horrendous case of Coercive Control

13 replies

CarobBean72 · 09/01/2026 17:06

This is a hideous case: a man obsessed with watching a woman being raped & humiliated by strangers forced her into sex with at least 100 - maybe as many as 1000 - men at “dogging” sites & in hotel rooms, advertising her online, intimidating her with threats, violence & blackmail.

He got life: I believe the first Coercive Control case to get a life sentence.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9jxv13m7po

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ItsInYouFaceButYouCantGrabIt · 09/01/2026 17:10

The judge said the victim was forced to "go out" several times a week. "Going out became a byword for her being raped by strangers. This is rape in all but name," said the judge.

Surely it is rape - not "rape in all but name"

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 09/01/2026 17:12

He deserves it!

Apparently Norfolk Police will be proceeding against some of the assistant rapists.

archive.ph/SVZpC

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 09/01/2026 17:14

ItsInYouFaceButYouCantGrabIt · 09/01/2026 17:10

The judge said the victim was forced to "go out" several times a week. "Going out became a byword for her being raped by strangers. This is rape in all but name," said the judge.

Surely it is rape - not "rape in all but name"

Totally.

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 09/01/2026 17:16

Local WRN was there. Good slogan #ShameMustChangeSides

x.com/norwich_s/status/2009639588503912622

Instructions · 09/01/2026 17:19

In many ways so like of the terrible abuse of Gisele Pelicot. Wtaf is this? Why do some men actively enjoy seeing their partner sexually used by other men against their will?

I thought as I got older I would stop being shocked by the shit men do. I am not finding that in reality, not at all.

LizzieSiddal · 09/01/2026 17:20

My god that’s horrific.

Re the judges comments, I wonder if the judge wouldn’t be allowed to call it rape, as the people have not yet been prosecuted and found guilty? Surely it may prejudice a trial if she did say it was rape.

Daleksatemyshed · 09/01/2026 18:10

They're all coming out of the woodwork now, the men who've abused their poor wives for years for the sake of their sad, pathetic sexual fantasies. I hope he dies in prison

Xiaoxiong · 09/01/2026 18:16

LizzieSiddal · 09/01/2026 17:20

My god that’s horrific.

Re the judges comments, I wonder if the judge wouldn’t be allowed to call it rape, as the people have not yet been prosecuted and found guilty? Surely it may prejudice a trial if she did say it was rape.

Yes I think what the judge was trying to say that he is tantamount to being a rapist despite not actually penetrating her with his own penis. So while she couldn't find him guilty of the crime of rape, basically, he should be considered to have raped her and be a rapist himself.

LeftBoobGoneRogue · 09/01/2026 21:25

Daleksatemyshed · 09/01/2026 18:10

They're all coming out of the woodwork now, the men who've abused their poor wives for years for the sake of their sad, pathetic sexual fantasies. I hope he dies in prison

Quite possibly he will because he will be at least 83 before he gets parole. Let’s hope the other men involved are prosecuted.

logiccalls · 10/01/2026 16:12

There needs to be an adjustment of current laws to include, on legal registers, for life, all people who are known to be a risk to others: Not just a register of child molesters, but also of partner - assaulters, and of those who are known to be violent to anyone, during times when they have taken alcohol or substances. Also, those who, due to their mental health issues, cannot prevent themselves being a danger.

Correctly, the law already assumes that, for paedophiles, the inclination to carry out that one type of sexual / power exploitation will not suddenly vanish. Hence, the life-long register, and the ability to set restrictions based on the assumption the offender will be a life-long risk, if given the opportunity.

Incorrectly, the law still assumes that every other type of offender, with an inclination to carry out the whole range of personal harms, will be 'cured' by locking up, either in a prison or a mental hospital, then releasing.

For at least a thousand pounds a week, per offender, the cage - then - release system cannot be continued at all, let alone applied to every dangerous person, for a lifetime.

Modern medication can be administered, like long term contraceptives, by implant.

That way, nobody, including those with mental illness or mental disorders, or with a wish to take alcohol or substances, or an over - excitement involving a harmful fetish or fantasy, and so on, will forget to take medicine. Nor will they be able to decline to take behaviour - modifying prescriptions, to remove impulses.

Just as some people can take doses of drugs to prevent them being interested in over - eating, others can take drugs which make alcohol unattractive, and there are modern versions of the old fashioned 'bromide' to reduce sexual urges.

Offenders will not wish to take the medicines they need*, and / or they may be unable to remember each dose, so implants are the best solution for all concerned.

(As with the contraceptive implants, the doses are miniscule when delivered directly into the blood stream, instead of trying to be absorbed in the digestive tract, therefore it is medically preferable, as well as convenient, for those taking the drugs)

Those who 'kick - off' with sudden violence can be treated with drugs to make them apathetic, to lower testosterone, and to make them extremely passive. This medicinal restraint (by long lasting implant) is in their own interests, as well as everyone else's, because, unrestrained, they may do extreme harm while being legally 'of unsound mind'.

Modern tracking systems can if necessary be implanted, but can invariably be body - worn. A probation - style set of restriction could be enforced cheaply, for life, without prison or a mental hospital.

Modern filming and tracking and monitoring systems could effectively control freedom of movement and association, and remove opportunity for harm, all by remote means.

If it was deemed reasonable for the person to go to a workplace, at certain times by certain routes, it would be recorded that no other destination was substituted.

If it was a condition that no children, and / or no women, should be in the offender's home, or be alone near the offender, then the absence of children, or of women, during each 24 hours, could be seen on film.

The scrutiny would be as close as any in prison or a mental hospital, and life - long, unless there was exceptional reason to apply to vary the conditions. But A.I. could scan, virtually free, and could alert police in event of any breaches.

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  • *One of the multiple absurdities of trying to maintain historic methods of incarceration, and 'treatment', is that prisoners and mental patients, and those on probation, are NOT given their medication by implant, therefore they have both motive and opportunity to injure staff who attempt to give pills or injections.
CarobBean72 · 10/01/2026 19:04

logiccalls · 10/01/2026 16:12

There needs to be an adjustment of current laws to include, on legal registers, for life, all people who are known to be a risk to others: Not just a register of child molesters, but also of partner - assaulters, and of those who are known to be violent to anyone, during times when they have taken alcohol or substances. Also, those who, due to their mental health issues, cannot prevent themselves being a danger.

Correctly, the law already assumes that, for paedophiles, the inclination to carry out that one type of sexual / power exploitation will not suddenly vanish. Hence, the life-long register, and the ability to set restrictions based on the assumption the offender will be a life-long risk, if given the opportunity.

Incorrectly, the law still assumes that every other type of offender, with an inclination to carry out the whole range of personal harms, will be 'cured' by locking up, either in a prison or a mental hospital, then releasing.

For at least a thousand pounds a week, per offender, the cage - then - release system cannot be continued at all, let alone applied to every dangerous person, for a lifetime.

Modern medication can be administered, like long term contraceptives, by implant.

That way, nobody, including those with mental illness or mental disorders, or with a wish to take alcohol or substances, or an over - excitement involving a harmful fetish or fantasy, and so on, will forget to take medicine. Nor will they be able to decline to take behaviour - modifying prescriptions, to remove impulses.

Just as some people can take doses of drugs to prevent them being interested in over - eating, others can take drugs which make alcohol unattractive, and there are modern versions of the old fashioned 'bromide' to reduce sexual urges.

Offenders will not wish to take the medicines they need*, and / or they may be unable to remember each dose, so implants are the best solution for all concerned.

(As with the contraceptive implants, the doses are miniscule when delivered directly into the blood stream, instead of trying to be absorbed in the digestive tract, therefore it is medically preferable, as well as convenient, for those taking the drugs)

Those who 'kick - off' with sudden violence can be treated with drugs to make them apathetic, to lower testosterone, and to make them extremely passive. This medicinal restraint (by long lasting implant) is in their own interests, as well as everyone else's, because, unrestrained, they may do extreme harm while being legally 'of unsound mind'.

Modern tracking systems can if necessary be implanted, but can invariably be body - worn. A probation - style set of restriction could be enforced cheaply, for life, without prison or a mental hospital.

Modern filming and tracking and monitoring systems could effectively control freedom of movement and association, and remove opportunity for harm, all by remote means.

If it was deemed reasonable for the person to go to a workplace, at certain times by certain routes, it would be recorded that no other destination was substituted.

If it was a condition that no children, and / or no women, should be in the offender's home, or be alone near the offender, then the absence of children, or of women, during each 24 hours, could be seen on film.

The scrutiny would be as close as any in prison or a mental hospital, and life - long, unless there was exceptional reason to apply to vary the conditions. But A.I. could scan, virtually free, and could alert police in event of any breaches.

.

  • *One of the multiple absurdities of trying to maintain historic methods of incarceration, and 'treatment', is that prisoners and mental patients, and those on probation, are NOT given their medication by implant, therefore they have both motive and opportunity to injure staff who attempt to give pills or injections.
Edited

In the discussion on sentencing before she made her decision the judge addressed this, assisted by prosecution & defence counsel.

As he had abused his victim by proxy (not only, but mainly), recruiting other men to harm her, the judge was of the opinion that he would not age out of it when his own physical capacity to harm declined.

So it was life rather than an extended sentence, because he might well never stop being a risk - to her if not to anyone else.

That seems entirely reasonable to me.

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CarobBean72 · 10/01/2026 19:07

ProfessoressaSazzasez · 09/01/2026 17:16

Local WRN was there. Good slogan #ShameMustChangeSides

x.com/norwich_s/status/2009639588503912622

I see the disgusting Fred Wallace has turned up & is attacking women who comment.I thought he’d been banned!

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logiccalls · 10/01/2026 20:18

CarobBean72 · 10/01/2026 19:04

In the discussion on sentencing before she made her decision the judge addressed this, assisted by prosecution & defence counsel.

As he had abused his victim by proxy (not only, but mainly), recruiting other men to harm her, the judge was of the opinion that he would not age out of it when his own physical capacity to harm declined.

So it was life rather than an extended sentence, because he might well never stop being a risk - to her if not to anyone else.

That seems entirely reasonable to me.

Thank you for the response.

Yes, she certainly did the best with the options she had. But she could and should have other options: .If the legal system accepted that internet and cameras, and implanted medications, now exist, and that laws need to be tweaked accordingly, she could instead have sentenced him to take relevant medication by implant, and to remain under house arrest,

He could then have spent the rest of his life closely monitored, remotely, and physically excluded from any opportunities to offend again. It wouldn't cost a thousand pounds a week.

His access to any film or other porn could be blocked. So, if appropriate, could someone's access to knives or alcohol.

You, and the judge, make the excellent point about the impulse to indulge in sexual deviency never dwindling with age, even if it must be enjoyed by watching rather than active participation.

But that is exactly where the implanted medication would be useful: Making the analogy with weight- loss medication: Someone with, say, enough Wegovy in their system, will apparently glance at a chocolate cake with virtually no interest, because the appetite is chemically lowered.

That's why I would suggest whatever medication is needed should be given to offenders, to control whichever urge is causing the trouble.

An implant of the relevant doses and combinations of drugs ought to be able to make the men stop being interested any more. They wouldn't bother to remember or to imagine whatever used to appeal to them. Like a depressed person, they would not see any point in anything much.

Where once they enjoyed getting alcohol, fighting, assaulting children or women, or waving a knife and scaring people, they should, with drug implants, find nothing at all is the least bit stimulating.

They would not enjoy being apathetic and indifferent to everything. But, with implants, they could not avoid the medication.

If they are mentally impaired and/or mentally unstable, being medicated to the point of becoming docile, apathetic, and unexitable about anything, (even perhaps their once favourite football team,) would make everyone around them safer.

As it is with men going into women's changing rooms, their 'rights' to enjoy whatever they want to enjoy cannot remove the rights of others to be safe from them.

By the way, a man who attempts to do that has self identified as a red flag danger to women.

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