NHs form

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routine form with cataract op forms asks if I’m male/ female then later on asks if I’m transgender wtf! What do I tick? Even if I put that I’m female presumably the second question is to clear things up a bit in case I’m not actually a real biological female. How ON EARTH are they keeping their records straight? What can I write to make a blooming large point?

I would just write "born female with breasts and a vagina, insulting for the second question to be asked"

I’d just put N/A

Black felt pen - redact the question.

I think that's pragmatic - it uses 'male' and 'female', rather than a menu of gender choices, and then the trans question informs staff that the person may present as the opposite sex, but need medical care appropriate to their biological sex.

Presumably they can record 'M or F + negative to trans q', or 'M or F + positive to trans q', which is more useful than 'M or F because they say so, but who knows what they actually are'?

I'd just say 'No' to the trans question, I think it's unfortunate they feel they have to ask it but it seems reasonable to me.

I find your response more insulting that the question

saying you were born with female parts you are implying that obviously makes you a female gender and is agreeing with the whole crap concept

Why should you have a gender identify ?

it’s insulting to assume someone has a female gender identify and it’s insulting to treat women as though they have a gender identity that is distinct from that of a man

I refuse to accept gender identities

rejection of the idea that women have something in common with all other women that marks them out as distinct from men for reasons beyond the biology makes me sick

if someone believes in gender than I am a man thank you because I hate the sexist crap shoved onto women because “women are better that that sort of stuff “

if you don’t believe then I am just a normal woman raised in a sexist society where both men and women have mistreated me because I don’t fit their ideas of what a woman should be

so NA would be my response I guess

I don’t understand the issue. It asks if you are male or female, then follows up to clarify if you are trans. Why does that insult you? I’m 51. I have trans friends and relatives. This is not a new concept.

Surely if the follow up question is 'are you trans?', that throws the answer to the first question in doubt. That's probably why it's there, to flag anyone who may not be trusted to answer the first question honestly. If the NHS hadn't enabled people to change the sex marker on their records this would not be necessary. They've made a rod for their own backs, costing precious time and money, and endangering their patients. Even women who claim to believe they are men need to have cervical smears. It might be triggering but suffering a cancer that only women can get is probably also quite traumatising.

I wouldn't have a problem with this. They are recording sex, and then asking if you are transgender separately, rather than conflating the two as 'gender identity'. You could still probably get very accurate sex monitoring statistics by excluding the (undoubtedly small) number of people who tick the transgender box.

I don't want men in women's spaces, but a small minority of transgender people will probably continue to exist and they need a way to be able to get medical treatment too.

Ok. This is crap because:

Answers F For sex
Answers yes for Trans

Does this mean A, a transwoman who believes they have changed sex or b, a transman who knows they haven't?

Same in reverse.

Answers M for sex
Answers yes for trans.
A transwoman who knows their actual biology
Or a transman who doesn't?

This mode of questioning clears up precisely nothing because the ideology has fucked up many people's understanding of what sex they actually are.

Absolutely

Answers F For sex
Answers yes for Trans

Wouldn't Jonathan/India Willoughby do that?

Which makes the information useless.

Thanks guys- that’s what was bothering me but I didn’t realise , if that makes sense. It seems to add so much confusion, pointlessly.

just discovered another one as well - our local sports place offers inclusive exercise, and I stupidly thought it meant old people’s classes. Nope.