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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman banned from Council gyms...guess why? Protest 10th Jan at 1 pm see post on pg.7

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lcakethereforeIam · 24/12/2025 11:09

Those who guessed 'because she objected to a man in the women's changing room', give yourselves a pat on the back

https://archive.ph/wLUBN

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row/

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row

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SinnerBoy · 14/01/2026 09:10

SarkyMummy · 12/01/2026 16:29

I complained to Southwark and got this response. Looks like they are digging in:

They can deny wrongdoing until the cows come home, they're still clearly in breach of the law. The SC Judgment is clear; single sex spaces are exactly that and as tranw are men, they have no legitimate access to womens' single sex spaces.

They need to sack whoever gave them such poor legal advice, that its fine to ignore the law and let men, who try to pass themselves off as women, access to female SSS.

dynamiccactus · 16/01/2026 18:40

Pickledcontext · 08/01/2026 16:22

Hi ladies,
These posts make me really sad.
I have been working in anti-sexual violence for many years.
I've sought to listen as best I can to this thread and I don't suspect this comment will be read, let alone heard.

I support your right to protest and I'm appalled that women have left a space due to their discomfort. This isn't right and I hope you receive an outcome that helps you feel safe and relaxed.

When I was a member at this gym, the only incident I had was with a man in the gym main space. It was bizarre and unpleasant and the attending staff member ignored the behaviour. I didn't feel safe and nor did I feel able to report.

Due to the nature of my work, I have spent more time than most talking to experts in sexual violence and countless survivors, from every day sexism to severe, life altering trauma in childhood.

As my fellow survivors will know, whilst it is not impossible for a woman to commit abuse, the vast, vast majority is committed by men. Again - I am not saying its impossible for a trans woman to commit abuse - but trans women are far more likely to be victims of sexual abuse than perpetrators.

Whilst I understand the fear that abusive men could abuse the system and pretend to identify as a woman, trans women have largely been using 'female' changing rooms since 2010, with very few reported incidences.

I'm not suggesting we need to agree on everything. Just please consider what will happen next.

  • If your child doesn't look feminine, how will they 'prove' their sex?
  • Do you have any butch friends? How will this impact them?
  • What about butch looking women you don't know?

I also don't think it's particularly useful, but outside of my work, I was surprised to learn that someone I had known for over a year was intersex. They didn't find out until they were a teen. It was a huge source of pain for them and continued to cause distress. I'm sharing this because I thought intersex people were much rarer than they are. A useful comparison is for every 3 redheads you've met, you've likely met 1 intersex person. It's not always as simple as testing hormones and I don't think any of us would advocate for genital inspections.

I sincerely apologise if I'm come off as judgemental, preachy or dismissive.
I respect your decisions and even though I don't agree with some of the things that have been said here, we don't have to force one another to totally agree on anything. However, when I read the posts and felt like I should probably stay silent, I felt that isn't what you're fighting for.

At the end of the day, whatever you believe, we all believe in the importance of safety, fairness, dignity and respect.

As you campaign, rightly, with a view to protect, please keep in mind that there are some people who will not be safe in the men's changing room. Saying that that's 'not my problem' isn't just unkind - we've had trans women in our spaces for over 15 years. Casting them aside without any consideration on the impact this may have says a lot about who we are.

  • If your child doesn't look feminine, how will they 'prove' their sex?
  • Do you have any butch friends? How will this impact them?
  • What about butch looking women you don't know?

As soon as a woman opens her mouth it's obvious she's female. Anyway, butch women look like butch women, not like men.

Iamnotalemming · 23/01/2026 16:26

I watched the menno video about the protest today. Towards the end he interviewed Fiona McAnena who was wearing a cap with 'XX' embroidered on it. She said women had been wearing them to ParkRuns to show they understand biology or something like that.
Does anyone know where or how you can get them? I'd love a way to quietly demonstra te while out running, CLAW that I am.

SirChenjins · 23/01/2026 16:28

Iamnotalemming · 23/01/2026 16:26

I watched the menno video about the protest today. Towards the end he interviewed Fiona McAnena who was wearing a cap with 'XX' embroidered on it. She said women had been wearing them to ParkRuns to show they understand biology or something like that.
Does anyone know where or how you can get them? I'd love a way to quietly demonstra te while out running, CLAW that I am.

Just had a look online and this company sells them - https://www.spreadshirt.co.uk/shop/accessories/bags-backpacks/tote-bags/xx/

Love the tote bags!

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Shop xx Tote Bags from Spreadshirt ✓ Custom-printed for you ✓ Find your favourite xx design from talented designers today!

https://www.spreadshirt.co.uk/shop/accessories/bags-backpacks/tote-bags/xx/

ScrollingLeaves · 23/01/2026 19:17

SirChenjins · Today 16:28
Thank you for the link to the XX tote bag site. I also saw one that said “ Who runs the world. Watermark Girls”. The ‘Watermark’ idea is very apt I think.

HildegardP · 23/01/2026 23:27

@Pickledcontext
Women are not support animals for men.

Being "kind" to men with eccentric ideas about themselves &/or sexual fetishes & paraphilias is not an obligation on women. Far from it.

I am female, 1.85m tall & utterly unfeminine. To be mistaken for male is banal for me & as a woman who's spent a lifetime readily correcting that misapprehension, I don't take kindly to manipulative pass-agg posters trying to misrepresent women like me as helpless & bereft of basic communication function in order to further the cause of cross-dressed men (&, per the provisions of the Equality Act, any men of any stripe who fancy toddling into the women's changing room. Either they all stay out or you can't keep any of them out. Which do you want?).

Someone apparently unable to grasp that very basic principle of safeguarding & who affects not to know that paraphilias cluster & constitute elevated risk of sexual offending doesn't seem at all suited to your vaunted work context. I don't know whether to disbelieve you or to assume that you work for Edinburgh RCC.

NeverOneBiscuit · 23/01/2026 23:47

Well said HildegardP
I also agree with your last sentence.

Somebody working in that field would understand why the vast majority of women would not confront a man in a female only space. The remark about few reported incidences is therefore, in my opinion, disingenuous.

As is the statement that transwomen are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. The Ministry of Justice data debunks this claim.

As for the inclusion of those with a DSD, & the redhead trope 🤦‍♀️

SternJoyousBeev2 · 24/01/2026 09:16

“Somebody working in that field would understand why the vast majority of women would not confront a man in a female only space. The remark about few reported incidences is therefore, in my opinion, disingenuous.”

Agreed.

And does anyone believe that every organisation keeps records of every complaint? Every time a woman complains at reception or to a passing staff member do we really think that member if staff fills in an incident report that is diligently recorded and filed to ease data capture and reporting?

HildegardP · 24/01/2026 18:28

@NeverOneBiscuit It's almost an achievement on the part of Pickled to have sustained such lamentable ignorance on so many topics.

NeverOneBiscuit · 25/01/2026 00:29

HildegardP · 24/01/2026 18:28

@NeverOneBiscuit It's almost an achievement on the part of Pickled to have sustained such lamentable ignorance on so many topics.

Indeed!

Also of note is that the gaps in their otherwise impeccable knowledge serve to let them have a good old scold, a finger wag and a sigh of disappointment at us nasty uppity women. Funny that 🤔

Pryceosh1987 · 25/01/2026 01:32

A believe a person born a man is a man and a person born a woman is a woman. Changing gender is a coverup literally. Inside the person is their original gender.

Greyskybluesky · 25/01/2026 01:35

Yes.

Kimura · 25/01/2026 03:20

SinnerBoy · 14/01/2026 09:10

SarkyMummy · 12/01/2026 16:29

I complained to Southwark and got this response. Looks like they are digging in:

They can deny wrongdoing until the cows come home, they're still clearly in breach of the law. The SC Judgment is clear; single sex spaces are exactly that and as tranw are men, they have no legitimate access to womens' single sex spaces.

They need to sack whoever gave them such poor legal advice, that its fine to ignore the law and let men, who try to pass themselves off as women, access to female SSS.

they're still clearly in breach of the law.

Is this right? As I understood it (please correct me if I'm wrong), the government hasn't yet published their official code of practice, which will then need ministerial sign-off and to be laid in parliament before it gains legal weight.

I understand the government wanting to take the time to get this right in order to avoid legal as many of the inevitable legal challenges as possible, but it feels like the foot-dragging has gone on for far too long.

Helleofabore · 25/01/2026 03:30

The law has been clarified by the Supreme Court judgement and is clear. The EHRC guidance will not change the law and the EHRC has said more than once that all organisations should act based on the law that has been in existance since 2010 and not wait until the guidance is agreed by Parliament.

Kimura · 25/01/2026 06:39

Helleofabore · 25/01/2026 03:30

The law has been clarified by the Supreme Court judgement and is clear. The EHRC guidance will not change the law and the EHRC has said more than once that all organisations should act based on the law that has been in existance since 2010 and not wait until the guidance is agreed by Parliament.

The EHRC has said more than once that all organisations should act based on the law that has been in existance since 2010 and not wait until the guidance is agreed by Parliament.

So it's a case of organisations not feeling confident in defending against discrimination cases based on the EHRCs statements alone, and the Govt is effectively holding a silent amnesty until they have their own house in order?

Is it right that the govt's COP will make service providers legally responsible for ensuring that any service or facility offered as 'single sex' actually remains so?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 02:22

I think it’s the case that organisations either don’t feel confident implementing the SC ruling or that the lack of up to date guidelines means their TRA networks can claim that they will be in breach based on the old guidelines, which the EHRC suggested should be revoked as no longer compliant. The government has not done this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 02:23

I don’t know what exactly is going to be in the new COP, only ministers and the EHRC do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 02:24

Can you explain what “legal responsibility ” you’re referring to @Kimura?

Kimura · 27/01/2026 04:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 02:24

Can you explain what “legal responsibility ” you’re referring to @Kimura?

Edited

A saw a post suggesting that service providers offering single-sex facilities would have a legal duty to ensure that they could only be accessed by those of the correct biological sex. That they could face penalties for being in breach etc.

Namelessnelly · 27/01/2026 05:24

Kimura · 27/01/2026 04:20

A saw a post suggesting that service providers offering single-sex facilities would have a legal duty to ensure that they could only be accessed by those of the correct biological sex. That they could face penalties for being in breach etc.

That is in Texas. Not the UK.

Kimura · 27/01/2026 06:03

Namelessnelly · 27/01/2026 05:24

That is in Texas. Not the UK.

Ah, understood.

So do we know what repercussions a UK service provider will face if they don't comply with the new COP?

E.g. - If a swimming pool offers single-sex facilities, but has an 'inclusive' policy that allows people to access them based on 'gender identity' rather than biological sex.

Namelessnelly · 27/01/2026 07:11

Kimura · 27/01/2026 06:03

Ah, understood.

So do we know what repercussions a UK service provider will face if they don't comply with the new COP?

E.g. - If a swimming pool offers single-sex facilities, but has an 'inclusive' policy that allows people to access them based on 'gender identity' rather than biological sex.

Then they will be breaking the law and subject to any person upset suing the fuck out of them. Which the claimant would win. You can’t claim a facility is single sex then make it mixed sex. They’d have to state all facilities were mixed sex. Which is fine. That would mean though that anyone of either sex could enter any of their facilities. They couldn’t have “women and some males”. It would be all mixed sex. As males with a trans identity claim male facilities are “unsafe”, I don’t think they’d be too happy with that scenario, do you?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/01/2026 07:26

They aren’t offering single sex facilities then, it’s a lie. You can’t get around it by putting the word “inclusive” in. If you let any men in they are not female only.

Kimura · 27/01/2026 07:41

Namelessnelly · 27/01/2026 07:11

Then they will be breaking the law and subject to any person upset suing the fuck out of them. Which the claimant would win. You can’t claim a facility is single sex then make it mixed sex. They’d have to state all facilities were mixed sex. Which is fine. That would mean though that anyone of either sex could enter any of their facilities. They couldn’t have “women and some males”. It would be all mixed sex. As males with a trans identity claim male facilities are “unsafe”, I don’t think they’d be too happy with that scenario, do you?

Then they will be breaking the law and subject to any person upset suing the fuck out of them.

But are we talking 'breaking the law' in the same way that a shop selling booze to a 16 year old can be fined and their staff criminally prosecuted, rather than a civil matter?