Leaked Cass interview

[Shedmistress]

Apparently they leaked this to show her bigotry...

Just in case this gets taken down I've transcribed it - will be in the next post.

IT's with Sheffield NHS. A private meeting about a new service model 11th December 2025.

It very much does matter when her words in her report are being used to justify a new cohort of kids who will be sterilised for playing with the 'wrong' toys.

They know full well they will be sterilised, otherwise why ask if they want to preserve sperm or eggs?

I’m with @quixote9. if the aim is to make everyone believe the same thing, we will fail, Dr Cass is a paediatric expert asked to report on paediatric services, she did that, and her report has materially improved the situation for children beyond all recognition. Having known one of the whistleblowers at GIDS, I think the Cass report has saved multiple lives from being much worse. Whether or not she believes in adult gender identity as a soul type thing is her own business. I look at the things she references in here eg about the high prevalence of autistic and traumatised children in those with a gender identity presentation as really helpful.

I agree she was asked to report on paediatric gender services and so she needs to stick to...paediatric gender services and give it a rest about the poor men who have to use men's spaces. She is in a position of influence and she should stick to what she found in her report.

What you both seem to be missing is her wholehearted endorsement of the puberty blocker trial. She recommended this in her report, and still seems to think that some of this cohort of autistic and traumatised children should be put on these damaging drugs as some sort of research experiment.

She knows that there is no benefit to blocking puberty in girls, but still wants some of these girls to participate in this horrifying experiment, and in the meantime be taught how to bind their breasts 'safely' by a nurse.

The comment about adult male transitioners in women's toilets is relevant because whether or not such males can ever 'pass' as women was the whole point of the original Dutch experiment on children. This is where the idea of 'trans children' originated. It's the reason why blocking puberty came about as a 'treatment' for gender nonconforming children. Without this emphasis on 'passing' as adults, nobody would have come up with this idea of treating this group of children with harmful drugs.

If males can be treated as adults and 'pass' successfully, there is no point in giving these drugs to children. Saying that they have always 'passed' as women and we haven't noticed removes the whole reason for giving them to children. By saying she believes this, this she admits she is recommending giving damaging drugs to children for no good reason.

She said that the men who have been passing as women in women’s toilets for years clearly shouldn’t go into men’s toilets (no criticism of men and their narrow minded gender views) implying that the men who don’t pass should go in the men’s. That view is just encouraging passing privilege which the TRAs hate. If you are a true believer you think all men who feel like women regardless of how they look, should be living their best life in the women’s spaces.

The answer, from listening to this is either chop and stunt the growth of children to fit a narrow view of gender and they can live on in their anxious stealth mode, or educate/ support people to accept more varied gender presentations with their actual lived biological sex.

Cass didn’t do the reviews though - teams of reviewers carried out the reviews of evidence. She just pulled it together into a report and couldn’t really misrepresent what the reviews found.

The recommendations could have been different though. We don't know enough about the effects of PBs long term on children with GD so we could either do an RCT, OR more long term assessment of the children who have already received them/not received them, or look at side effects we know about already and say we won't use them any more.

I think we all need to come from the initial premise which is 'what condition is really bad enough to warrant sterilising kids?'

Anything else is fluff on this topic.

So if men would only accept effeminate men in toilets we wouldn't have to trans anyone...

This was what was missing - what is ‘gender incongruence’ and why does it need treating by pretending a child is the opposite sex?

Tbh I think she knows pretty well what's what and is doing her best to land some key points (the evidence base is terrible! Giving irreversible hormones to young people who are identifying as trans due to their sexuality, ND or mental health issues is awful! Watchful waiting while allowing kids to wear whatever clothes they like is best!) without being totally dismissed as a transphobe.

Or trying to establish legitimacy whilst pushing significant TRA points.

Cass is saying that there are trans children who need PB. But we need to establish if PB are safe.

She is someone who believes that there is such a thing as trans children and they need to be medicated.

If she thought differently, why is she allowing some children to be placed on a pathway of a lifetime of drugs and surgery?

She clearly hasn't really questioned the idea of gender incongruance, or asked harder questions about what gender is.

I don't think it matters in terms of her job however. As much as it would be nice to have a serious medical inquiry into the definitions of these supposed diagnoses,I don't think that was part of her remit, and couldn't have been. She seems to have done what she was supposed to do very competently and with diligence even when it was made difficult for her.

So, why was this leaked? Who objected to what?

I mean I objected to loads of it…

I do not know, you'd have to go ask one of the guys that leaked it.

It was saved on a private drive and then put onto you tube to showcase her bigotry apparently.

She has bought the idea that some people are trans and should be accommodated in their preferred gender. She isn't sure why or what will work best for them. But she is a believer. But what she thinks is irrelevant tbh. She is just giving her personal opinion now. But I do think the background on how they went about the research is interesting. It shows for one thing that they DID speak to trans people.

What "bigotry" did they think it showed?

But she still thinks some children should be given the drugs even though there is no evidence that there is really a condition of 'being trans'.

But she recommended that there should be a 'trial'. Before recommending such a trial there should be a definition of what the condition is, what the aims of the treatment are and what a successful outcome would look like for the children involved.

Without this, we're left with questions about what exactly is being treated, and why mental distress in physically healthy children is being treated with a drug which results in sexual dysfunction and sterility.

You can click on the link, and ask them if you want to know.

I have no idea what they meant, which is why I used the word 'apparently' in the original post.

This.

Also how are they diagnosing children as trans? They arent just taking the word of pre teens that their gender identity doesn't match their sex, are they? Because that would be madness.

No need to be rude.

I couldn't care less what their opinions of her are. This is about Cass and her behaviour that will lead to kids ending up sterilised. I have no idea why you do care so go take it up with them if you are interested.

It isn't rude to point this out.

She needed to set her own biases aside. I think I’d find that difficult to do, and o expect my negative feelings about gender would leak into the report.

the point about the trial is it is a shit trial. If they think some kids are trans they won’t learn what they need to from this protocol. It’s cod science. Which is shocking.