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allison bailey judgement

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thelonelyones · 17/12/2025 09:35

expected tomorrow

(can't share how I know, and sorry don't know if there's already a thread)

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PhilOPastry62 · 17/12/2025 09:37

I've lost track of where we are: I thought her case was over. Could someone post a summary of what the current judgement relates to?

UserNom · 17/12/2025 09:47

Thanks for the heads up OP. I'm assuming it's this:

Allison Bailey

@BluskyeAllison

Bailey v Stonewall & Ors was heard in the Court of Appeal on 21 - 22 October 2025 before Lord Justice Bean, Lord Justice Newey, and Lady Justice Whipple.

The appeal, live-streamed by the Courts and Tribunals Judiciary and archived on YouTube, can be viewed here:

Day 1 (part 1) https://youtube.com/live/DxQicEX0KyQ?si=zZWHvjs6WXLPieXd Day 1 (part 2) https://youtube.com/live/kd-eCh4KijI?si=W3a78e99DtKVwUQh Day 2 https://youtube.com/live/ZgkBJ3AS9JA?si=KvgyZipntVW20ncf

My barrister Ben Cooper KC's written legal argument for allowing the appeal is here: https://allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Claimant-Appellants-Skeleton-Argument.pdf

We await the reserved judgment, which will be handed down in the coming weeks or months, likely around the new year.

Allison Bailey (@BluskyeAllison) on X

Barrister & survivor. #ComeOutOfStonewall #StonewallOut https://t.co/wqtRg45qFW

https://x.com/BluskyeAllison

ProfessorofSelfPortraiture · 17/12/2025 09:52

Oh wow. Here's hoping the Supreme Court give us a splendid Christmas present...

fanOfBen · 17/12/2025 09:58

Oh goodness. I watched that: Ben seemed great to me, but at the same time, it was very legal-technical so even harder to tell than ETs. May need to re-read today in preparation. Wouldn't some good news be welcome just now...?

UserNom · 17/12/2025 09:58

Pls could someone do a TLDR for those of us catching up!

I seem to dimly recall this is about Stonewall trying to influence Garden Crt Chambers?

thelonelyones · 17/12/2025 10:09

its particularly interesting in light of the employment rights bill which passed yesterday and which I believe references employers being responsible for third party harassment. its not law yet though.

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Slothtoes · 17/12/2025 10:13

Wishing all the best to Allison, and very grateful to her whatever the outcome, for pursuing this as she has done. All women will benefit from these questions being raised about employers. She’s a hero. Flowers

PhilOPastry62 · 17/12/2025 10:16

UserNom · 17/12/2025 09:47

Thanks for the heads up OP. I'm assuming it's this:

Allison Bailey

@BluskyeAllison

Bailey v Stonewall & Ors was heard in the Court of Appeal on 21 - 22 October 2025 before Lord Justice Bean, Lord Justice Newey, and Lady Justice Whipple.

The appeal, live-streamed by the Courts and Tribunals Judiciary and archived on YouTube, can be viewed here:

Day 1 (part 1) https://youtube.com/live/DxQicEX0KyQ?si=zZWHvjs6WXLPieXd Day 1 (part 2) https://youtube.com/live/kd-eCh4KijI?si=W3a78e99DtKVwUQh Day 2 https://youtube.com/live/ZgkBJ3AS9JA?si=KvgyZipntVW20ncf

My barrister Ben Cooper KC's written legal argument for allowing the appeal is here: https://allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Claimant-Appellants-Skeleton-Argument.pdf

We await the reserved judgment, which will be handed down in the coming weeks or months, likely around the new year.

Edited

Many thanks, UserNom. I must have been under a stone when this happened, because I totally missed it. Thank you, OP, for the heads-up.

RhymesWithOrange · 17/12/2025 10:18

I can only assume that it’s good news as we wouldn’t be primed to celebrate otherwise 🥳

Frivolatte · 17/12/2025 10:20

Trying to read between the lines of your post OP.

Allison’s fund was the first of many I’ve paid my fundamental women’s rights tax to.

Courageous woman, whatever the outcome.

CriticalConditionUnamendedVersion · 17/12/2025 10:26

Well, I don't want to jinx it but this has the feeling of an early Christmas present.

<Clears diary for 10.30 tomorrow>

fanOfBen · 17/12/2025 11:10

It may be useful to put here the pithy opening to Ben's skeleton.

Introduction

1. Section 111 of the Equality Act 2010 (‘EqA10’) makes it unlawful for a person (A) to instruct, cause or induce (or attempt to instruct, cause or induce) another person (B) to contravene that Act in respect of a third person (C), where the relationship between A and B is one in which it would also be unlawful for A to engage in prohibited conduct against B.

2. This appeal concerns the ingredients for liability for causing or inducing unlawful direct discrimination. It is the first appeal to this court to consider those matters.

3. In this case, the Claimant is person C. She was a practising barrister and a member of Garden Court, which is person B. Garden Court was a member of Stonewall’s ‘Diversity Champions’ scheme, under which Stonewall was a service provider to Garden Court within the meaning of EqA10, s29. Stonewall is person A.

4. The Claimant holds ‘gender critical’ beliefs, that sex is real and observable, and that gender is a subjective identity with no objective basis. She also believes that gender theory as espoused by Stonewall in its campaigning is sexist, homophobic and particularly damaging to lesbians. The Tribunal held that those beliefs are protected for the purposes of the protected characteristic of belief under EqA10, s10 (ET Judgment, §§279-280 & 290-3 [157-158, 160-161]). That conclusion has not been appealed.

5. The claim against Stonewall under EqA10, s111 arises because Stonewall made a complaint to Garden Court about the Claimant’s expression of her beliefs in a number of ‘tweets’. On the Tribunal’s findings, that complaint was motivated by prejudice against the Claimant’s beliefs, was made as a ‘protest’ to a perceived ally in the debate, and invited Garden Court to consider the complaint and ‘do what is right’. Garden Court investigated and partially upheld the complaint. In doing so, Garden Court directly discriminated against the Claimant because of its opposition to her belief, which was in part influenced by its association with Stonewall. None of the relevant tweets was in fact expressed in terms that justified upholding the complaint.

6. The Claimant’s case, in short, is that:
6.1. Those central facts are sufficient to establish liability against Stonewall for causing and/or inducing Garden Court’s direct belief discrimination.
6.2. The reasons the Tribunal gave for its conclusion to the contrary are wholly inadequate and focus on irrelevant matters.

6.3. The EAT’s attempt to shore up the Tribunal’s decision relies on a new test that is neither correct in law nor the test that was actually applied by the Tribunal or contended for by any party.

6.4. Ultimately, since the purpose of s111 is to contribute to the elimination of discrimination in the fields to which the EqA10 applies, any sensible interpretation must support liability in the circumstances of this case because Stonewall’s actions themselves had all of the characteristics of direct discrimination: it acted because of the Claimant’s beliefs and to her detriment in a way that in turn brought about Garden Court’s discrimination. Reduced to their essentials, the circumstances are as follows:
(a) Because of A’s prejudice against C’s protected characteristic, A complained to B, whom he perceived as sharing his view of that characteristic, to ‘protest’ about that characteristic; and
(b) In response to that complaint B, who does share A’s view of the characteristic and was further influenced by their association with A, directly discriminated against C by upholding the complaint.

Datun · 17/12/2025 11:20

Any normal person could easily see that.

Stonewall didn't like it, they told her boss, and her boss acted on it.

fanOfBen · 17/12/2025 11:23

Datun · 17/12/2025 11:20

Any normal person could easily see that.

Stonewall didn't like it, they told her boss, and her boss acted on it.

yeah, if memory serves that's pretty much what Ben said. I think "if we were talking about any other protected characteristic we wouldn't be here" came into submissions somewhere!

TheAutumnCrow · 17/12/2025 11:29

ProfessorofSelfPortraiture · 17/12/2025 09:52

Oh wow. Here's hoping the Supreme Court give us a splendid Christmas present...

Court of Appeal. Not at Supreme Court stage yet!

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:35

Many thanks @fanOfBen (love your user name 😆)

In words that a four year old could understand, could someone please explain who is appealing what decision? I am a bit lost with all the legalese😟

Datun · 17/12/2025 11:45

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:35

Many thanks @fanOfBen (love your user name 😆)

In words that a four year old could understand, could someone please explain who is appealing what decision? I am a bit lost with all the legalese😟

Given that I have the legal understanding of a 4 year-old, this might help.

Allison won against her boss, Garden Court Chambers that they discriminated against her, because of her tweets but not that they were influenced by Stonewall. Who basically told them about it and 'trusted they would do the right thing'.

At the time Stonewall were incredibly powerful, more so than they are now. companies could sign up, and pay for, membership of their 'workplace equality index'.

Depending on how much you complied with their workshops and advice, you got awarded a higher place in their standard.

It seems ridiculous now, but companies were competing to be the best ally they could.

So Garden Court Chambers complying with Stonewall's request that they 'do the right thing' is a lot more ominous than it sounds.

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:46

Many thanks @Datun . So is Allison appealing the Stonewall bit of the judgement?

GoldThumb · 17/12/2025 11:49

Will this be on YouTube then?

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:50

GoldThumb · 17/12/2025 11:49

Will this be on YouTube then?

It says it's being handed down remotely by email.

thelonelyones · 17/12/2025 11:56

I have no involvement in this case, and do not know the outcome, I just know the release date from my GC network, so do not infer anything from my posts!

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Helleofabore · 17/12/2025 11:57

Thanks for that.

I expect that we will be glued to Twitter to see what the outcome is.

Helleofabore · 17/12/2025 12:00

Good luck to Allison.

Stonewall need to be held accountable for their influence in so many organisations. I wonder if the judgement is a win for Allison, how many other claims will be lodged.

Keeptoiletssafe · 17/12/2025 12:10

They certainly influenced the Document T public consultation by coordinating a huge response and also, I believe I have evidence for, ensuring companies would embed trans ideology into a consultation report, presumably to win their awards. By doing so it affected the health and safety of another protected characteristics that was supposed to be their remit.

edit: it’s very obvious from the report. Not so bothered about the public consultation, that’s fair enough.

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